Hi, Michael Biebl <biebl@debian.org> (2022-08-30): > as discussed in [1], I'd like to see the priority of rsyslog demoted > from important to optional. > We've been shipping with a persistent journal since bullseye and no > major issues have been reported since then and the feedback has been > positive so far. > > Copying the rationale from this email: > > The main reason here is, that I want to avoid that log data is stored twice on disk. > > What exactly would this mean going forward: > > - Existing systems will continue to have rsyslog installed (but they can > safely uninstall rsyslog) > > - Newly installed systems will no longer have rsyslog installed, unless > some other package Depends on either rsyslog | system-log-daemon. But > my recommendation is, that individual packages do not have a > Depends/Recommends: rsyslog | system-log-daemon unless it is really > crucial to their operation. Journald does provide /dev/log and a > syslog() api call will make sure the log message ends up on persistent > storage. > > - If you prefer rsyslog on a systemd-based system you can easily install > rsyslog and it will continue to work as-is. > > > There wasn't that much feedback on this RFC, but no objection afaics, so > I'd like to proceed with this plan. > > Regards, > Michael > > > [1] https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2021/11/msg00179.html No objections from my side, but I'd like to check something: overrides are per suite, and should only change for testing/unstable/experimental, not for stable, when acting on such requests, right? A quick look at coccia's scripts/override/override.* suggests so, but I'm asking anyway: a bunch of packages in the default set are a no brainer, but I expect many admins to have some deployment code that acts on rsyslog, either configuring it in some specific ways, or getting rid of it… I wouldn't want stable to get a different set of packages overnight, esp. if it comes via archive metadata updates, rather than via some package updates. Cheers, -- Cyril Brulebois (kibi@debian.org) <https://debamax.com/> D-I release manager -- Release team member -- Freelance Consultant
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