Hi Christian, Christian Perrier <bubulle@debian.org> (2016-05-18): > (thanks for prodding me...you never know, indeed, though I still read > -boot...;-) ) (wow, great!) > >I have no idea whether the following is practical, and/or makes sense > >regarding d-i's logic, etc., but I'm wondering whether it would be > >possible to have checking "Debian Pure Blends" activate a follow-up > >screen which would list all Blends. This way, we would get the previous > >tasksel screen back, and only present the Blends to users who're > >actually asking for it. And that, without changing anything in debconf, > >its (non-)support for structure prompts, etc. Merging two tasks lists > >obtained in two stages shouldn't be too hard, I suppose. But does that > >make sense? > > > >Again, Christian is more knowledgeable in this area, and might have more > >insight. > > I tried to read the whole thread and then I'll summarize my thoughts. > > At first, I'm not happy with the idea of Pure Blends tasks mixing up with > standard tasks. I fully respect the work done by the variou sblends teams, > but having our usual longstanding "standard" tasks kinda lost in the middle > of "strange" and obscure tasks which the average user has no idea about what > they're about...is a no-no for me. Ack. Not a surprise to me, but thanks for confirming. :) > I still remember Joey's objections about *not* having users forced to choose > between desktop environments....because, contrary to what the average geek > thinks, most people have no idea about what is a desktop environment. So, > just imagine if we present them with "Hamradio", "NeuroDebian", "Debian Med" > and such a list of unsorted strange things. > > Not to mention that most of these tasks titles wouldn't be translated, while > other tasks are. > > So, yes, I'd object strongly to mixing up Blends tasks with other tasks. Ack. > I think that the idea of blends choice in the boot menu has already ruled > out for several reasons, so I won't develop here, but just add one more > reason : this is untranslatable. Ack. > That leaves us with the idea of a "Debian Blends" choice in the standard > task menu, which would lead to a dedicated "blends" menu. I think this is > the best compromise to do, provided we find a good name for the menu entry : > "Debian Blends" or "Debian pure Blends" is a great name for the project in > its entirety...but probably not for the menu entry. Again, because it means > nothing to Joe User. > > So, with something like "Special-purpose packages" or "Specialized > installations" or whatever along those lines, *then* a menu with the Blends > list (unsorted) and the possibility of going back just in case people see > the list and think "heck, I have no idea about what this stuff is > about"....then I'd say this is the way to go. While deciding the exact label (and getting it translated) might be tricky indeed, let's see if we can come up with a working implementation past D-I Stretch Alpha 6, then. The person looking into this (hello future self?) should remember preseeding should be supported, as well as going back. Thanks so much, Christian. KiBi.
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