On dim., 2014-09-07 at 16:28 -0400, Joey Hess wrote: > So, I see no problem with adding gnome-orca to task-xfce-desktop, given > those installation size numbers. I do. > > I sympathize with Yves in wanting to keep the xfce4-* packages > containing only actual upstream XFCE stuff; (OT: Yves-Alexis and Xfce) > that's part of why we have > the task packages to add currently missing (and in some ways suboptimal) > bits -- including network-manager-gnome already. No, that wasn't my point. I'm not against adding useful stuff to the Xfce desktop environment. As I already stated, there's a somehow a goal in Xfce to have a modular desktop, where you can use bits from here and there and it works fine. What I'm against is forcing stuff onto users which have exactly no need for it. With that kind of reasoning we would install the complete set of packages in every installed system “just in case”. And again, I fail to see why this is about Xfce desktop. One can use GTK stuff in a KDE desktop where I guess GTK+ a11y would work. One could be blind and don't use a full DE but just a window manager. I fail to see why a11y would be important enough to force it to Xfce installations while not beeing important enough to force it to default installations. > > Bear in mind that accessability is one of the most important criteria > for picking the default desktop -- for the reasons Samuel has given. > It could easily be *the* determining factor between xfce and gnome for > jessie. I already stated my position wrt. Xfce beeing the default desktop, I think. -- Yves-Alexis
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