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Bug#691666: marked as done (please suport neo2, dvorak, french bépo, ..., keyboard layouts)

Your message dated Mon, 3 Mar 2014 02:48:21 +0100
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and subject line Re: Bug#691666: installation-reports: please propose french bépo keyboard layout during installation
has caused the Debian Bug report #691666,
regarding please suport neo2, dvorak, french bépo, ..., keyboard layouts
to be marked as done.

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Package: installation-reports

Boot method: hdmedia's kernel+initrd, and netinst multi-arch CD (on the
usbkey) Image version:
http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/wheezy_di_beta3/multi-arch/iso-cd/debian-wheezy-DI-b3-amd64-i386-netinst.iso
Date: 28/10/2012

Machine: IBM Thinkpad X201
Processor: I5
Memory: 4GB
Partitions:

# fdisk -l /dev/sda

Disque /dev/sda: 500.1 Go, 500107862016 octets
255 têtes, 63 secteurs/piste, 60801 cylindres
Unités = cylindres de 16065 * 512 = 8225280 octets
Sector size (logical/physical): 512 bytes / 4096 bytes
I/O size (minimum/optimal): 4096 bytes / 4096 bytes
Identifiant de disque : 0x00000000

Périphérique Amorce  Début        Fin      Blocs     Id  Système
/dev/sda1   *           1         498     4000153+  83  Linux
Partition 1 does not start on physical sector boundary.
/dev/sda2             499         996     4000185   82  Linux swap /
Solaris Partition 2 does not start on physical sector boundary.
/dev/sda3             997        1120      996030   83  Linux
Partition 3 does not start on physical sector boundary.
/dev/sda4            1121       60801   479387632+   5  Etendue
/dev/sda5            1121       60801   479387601   83  Linux
Partition 5 does not start on physical sector boundary.

Résultat de lspci -knn (ou lspci -nn) :

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:           [O]
Detect network card:    [O]
Configure network:      [O]
Detect CD:              [E]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives:     [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Install base system:    [O]
Clock/timezone setup:   [O]
User/password setup:    [E]
Install tasks:          [O]
Install boot loader:    [O]
Overall install:        [O]

Comments/Problems:

I've tried to install wheezy on a free partition on my current Squeeze
system, but with the standard boot method, the debian installer was
stuck trying to detect where is the install-CD ISO, when parsing my
hard disk sda4 partition (before to look at the USB key /dev/sdb where
the ISO lies) : bug already known, see #684293. I had to use expert
install to workaround this, the beta3 version has same problem as the
beta2 I tried before.

I have then a problem choosing keyboard layout, as I use a
« dvorak-like » layout designed for french language, called « bépo » :
this layout is very different from qwerty, azerty or either [english]
dvorak, and so it's very difficult to use blindly an azerty or qwerty
layout on a Bépo keyboard ! This causes problems entering root's
password, simple user login and password, and also after the
installation, to reconfigure the system to be able to use the correct
layout [in fact, I installed default Gnome 3(?) desktop, and I wasn't
used with this system, I was unable to find how to modify the layout
nor how to open a terminal to do it with command line...].

For information, I also requested to add this layout for the Squeeze
installer (see #550962), and Christian didn't find it pertinent, I hope
this time will be the good one :-)

The Bépo layout, community built as a free software, is fully
integrated in Xorg since 2007 (has also drivers for Windows and Mac OSX
systems), quite a lot of [french] developpers/users has at least heard
about it, and is recognized by some ergonomic keyboard builders
(Typematrix: http://www.typematrix.com, CECIAA:
http://www.ceciaa.com/clavier-ergoneos-fort-contraste-disposition-bepo-c2391-7.php).
Its user base, while difficult to estimate, seems to grow ; its
community regularly do some demonstrations/presentations/stands in
exhibitions (RMLL for example) to let it be known. More information
about this layout is available at http://www.bepo.fr.

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Samuel Thibault <sthibault@debian.org> (2012-10-28):
> Fred, le Sun 28 Oct 2012 15:01:54 +0100, a écrit :
> > I didn't saw this bug report.
> 
> Did you read the discussion there?
> 
> > Meanwhile, the simplicity shouldn't go against usability, no ?
> 
> See the discussion there. It is still considered that doubling the
> amount of choices in an already very long list hurts more than having
> to type with the layout that is used in the vast rest of one's own
> country.

[ etc. ]

Closing this bug report as I'm not sure we're going to revisit that any
time soon. (Quite the contrary in fact.)

Mraw,
KiBi.

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