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Bug#704605: marked as done (installation-reports: kernel panic Wheezy)



Your message dated Mon, 2 Sep 2013 15:53:07 +0200
with message-id <201309021553.23982.holger@layer-acht.org>
and subject line dealing with old installation-reports
has caused the Debian Bug report #704605,
regarding installation-reports: kernel panic Wheezy
to be marked as done.

This means that you claim that the problem has been dealt with.
If this is not the case it is now your responsibility to reopen the
Bug report if necessary, and/or fix the problem forthwith.

(NB: If you are a system administrator and have no idea what this
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misconfiguration somewhere. Please contact owner@bugs.debian.org
immediately.)


-- 
704605: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=704605
Debian Bug Tracking System
Contact owner@bugs.debian.org with problems
--- Begin Message ---
Package: installation-reports
Severity: important

Dear Maintainer,
*** Please consider answering these questions, where appropriate ***

   * What led up to the situation?
    Kernel Panic requiring hard reset possibly having to do with lightdm-gtk-gre
  
   * What exactly did you do (or not do) that was effective (or
     ineffective)?
    On the Wheezy RC1 I installed the linux-image-486 and got a similar result (kernel panics requiring hard reset), but I was able to use the system for a few minutes as opposed to panic on startup

   * What was the outcome of this action?
    kernel panic

   * What outcome did you expect instead?
 a normally functioning system (no kernel panics that lock the system, make it unusable and require a hard reset)

*** End of the template - remove these lines ***


-- Package-specific info:

Boot method: CD
Image version: cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/   from April 2, 201 2013
Date: <Date and time of the install>

Machine: Dell Dimension 2400
Partitions: <df -Tl will do; the raw partition table is preferred>


Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot:           [E]
Detect network card:    [O]
Configure network:      [O]
Detect CD:              [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Clock/timezone setup:   [O]
User/password setup:    [O]
Detect hard drives:     [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Install base system:    [O]
Install tasks:          [O]
Install boot loader:    [O]
Overall install:        [O]

Comments/Problems:

Two major problems:
1)kernel panic as described above
2)initial attempts to install failed and required a hard reset due to a cryptic error message(almost illegible): Undefined videomode number: 314.  The workaround for this was to press TAB and set 
  vga=normal instead of the default setting of 788.  The only reason I was able to decipher this illegible message was to attempt to install Ubuntu 13.04 and I got the same message that was 
  readable.  The Ubuntu installation did not hang and was going to let me continue.

<Description of the install, in prose, and any thoughts, comments
      and ideas you had during the initial install.>


-- 

Please make sure that the hardware-summary log file, and any other
installation logs that you think would be useful are attached to this
report. Please compress large files using gzip.

Once you have filled out this report, mail it to submit@bugs.debian.org.

==============================================
Installer lsb-release:
==============================================
DISTRIB_ID=Debian
DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Debian GNU/Linux installer"
DISTRIB_RELEASE="7.0 (wheezy) - installer build 20130211"
X_INSTALLATION_MEDIUM=cdrom

==============================================
Installer hardware-summary:
==============================================
uname -a: Linux dellian 3.2.0-4-486 #1 Debian 3.2.35-2 i686 GNU/Linux
lspci -knn: 00:00.0 Host bridge [0600]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE/PE DRAM Controller/Host-Hub Interface [8086:2560] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 	Kernel driver in use: agpgart-intel
lspci -knn: 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller [0300]: Intel Corporation 82845G/GL[Brookdale-G]/GE Chipset Integrated Graphics Device [8086:2562] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 00:1d.0 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #1 [8086:24c2] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
lspci -knn: 00:1d.1 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #2 [8086:24c4] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
lspci -knn: 00:1d.2 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) USB UHCI Controller #3 [8086:24c7] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 	Kernel driver in use: uhci_hcd
lspci -knn: 00:1d.7 USB controller [0c03]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-M) USB2 EHCI Controller [8086:24cd] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 	Kernel driver in use: ehci_hcd
lspci -knn: 00:1e.0 PCI bridge [0604]: Intel Corporation 82801 PCI Bridge [8086:244e] (rev 81)
lspci -knn: 00:1f.0 ISA bridge [0601]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) LPC Interface Bridge [8086:24c0] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 00:1f.1 IDE interface [0101]: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller [8086:24cb] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 	Kernel driver in use: ata_piix
lspci -knn: 00:1f.3 SMBus [0c05]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) SMBus Controller [8086:24c3] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller [0401]: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller [8086:24c5] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:0160]
lspci -knn: 01:05.0 Modem [0703]: Intel Corporation FA82537EP 56K V.92 Data/Fax Modem PCI [8086:1080] (rev 04)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:1000]
lspci -knn: 	Kernel driver in use: serial
lspci -knn: 01:09.0 Ethernet controller [0200]: Broadcom Corporation BCM4401 100Base-T [14e4:4401] (rev 01)
lspci -knn: 	Subsystem: Dell Device [1028:8127]
lspci -knn: 	Kernel driver in use: b44
usb-list: 
usb-list: Bus 01 Device 01: EHCI Host Controller [1d6b:0002]
usb-list:    Level 00 Parent 00 Port 00  Class 09(hub  ) Subclass 00 Protocol 00
usb-list:    Manufacturer: Linux 3.2.0-4-486 ehci_hcd
usb-list:    Interface 00: Class 09(hub  ) Subclass 00 Protocol 00 Driver hub
usb-list: 
usb-list: Bus 02 Device 01: UHCI Host Controller [1d6b:0001]
usb-list:    Level 00 Parent 00 Port 00  Class 09(hub  ) Subclass 00 Protocol 00
usb-list:    Manufacturer: Linux 3.2.0-4-486 uhci_hcd
usb-list:    Interface 00: Class 09(hub  ) Subclass 00 Protocol 00 Driver hub
usb-list: 
usb-list: Bus 03 Device 01: UHCI Host Controller [1d6b:0001]
usb-list:    Level 00 Parent 00 Port 00  Class 09(hub  ) Subclass 00 Protocol 00
usb-list:    Manufacturer: Linux 3.2.0-4-486 uhci_hcd
usb-list:    Interface 00: Class 09(hub  ) Subclass 00 Protocol 00 Driver hub
usb-list: 
usb-list: Bus 04 Device 01: UHCI Host Controller [1d6b:0001]
usb-list:    Level 00 Parent 00 Port 00  Class 09(hub  ) Subclass 00 Protocol 00
usb-list:    Manufacturer: Linux 3.2.0-4-486 uhci_hcd
usb-list:    Interface 00: Class 09(hub  ) Subclass 00 Protocol 00 Driver hub
lsmod: Module                  Size  Used by
lsmod: fuse                   51989  0 
lsmod: ufs                    57656  0 
lsmod: qnx4                   12992  0 
lsmod: ntfs                  161748  0 
lsmod: reiserfs              167423  0 
lsmod: dm_mod                 57438  0 
lsmod: md_mod                 81567  0 
lsmod: xfs                   511016  0 
lsmod: jfs                   131002  0 
lsmod: ext4                  298202  1 
lsmod: crc16                  12327  1 ext4
lsmod: jbd2                   51584  1 ext4
lsmod: ext3                  133836  0 
lsmod: jbd                    42496  1 ext3
lsmod: btrfs                 471554  0 
lsmod: crc32c                 12576  1 
lsmod: libcrc32c              12394  1 btrfs
lsmod: zlib_deflate           21318  1 btrfs
lsmod: vfat                   17117  0 
lsmod: fat                    40365  1 vfat
lsmod: ext2                   49804  0 
lsmod: mbcache                12938  3 ext2,ext3,ext4
lsmod: b44                    23135  0 
lsmod: ssb                    43403  1 b44
lsmod: mmc_core               62150  1 ssb
lsmod: mii                    12595  1 b44
lsmod: pcmcia                 32047  1 ssb
lsmod: pcmcia_core            18063  1 pcmcia
lsmod: nls_utf8               12416  0 
lsmod: isofs                  30544  0 
lsmod: usb_storage            35245  0 
lsmod: vga16fb                17170  2 
lsmod: vgastate               12537  1 vga16fb
lsmod: thermal                13103  0 
lsmod: fan                    12594  0 
lsmod: thermal_sys            17752  2 fan,thermal
lsmod: sg                     21589  0 
lsmod: sd_mod                 35425  3 
lsmod: sr_mod                 17468  0 
lsmod: crc_t10dif             12332  1 sd_mod
lsmod: cdrom                  34813  1 sr_mod
lsmod: ata_generic            12439  0 
lsmod: ata_piix               21296  2 
lsmod: libata                121252  2 ata_piix,ata_generic
lsmod: uhci_hcd               22506  0 
lsmod: parport_pc             22036  0 
lsmod: parport                31375  1 parport_pc
lsmod: floppy                 48182  0 
lsmod: scsi_mod              135542  5 libata,sr_mod,sd_mod,sg,usb_storage
lsmod: ehci_hcd               35684  0 
lsmod: usbcore               100644  4 ehci_hcd,uhci_hcd,usb_storage
lsmod: usb_common             12338  1 usbcore
df: Filesystem           1K-blocks      Used Available Use% Mounted on
df: none                     50620        52     50568   0% /run
df: tmpfs                   253088         0    253088   0% /dev
df: /dev/sda1             37434036   2543764  32988704   7% /target
df: /dev/sda1             37434036   2543764  32988704   7% /dev/.static/dev
df: tmpfs                   253088         0    253088   0% /target/dev
free:              total         used         free       shared      buffers
free: Mem:        506176       459604        46572            0        51600
free: -/+ buffers:             408004        98172
free: Swap:      1028092          340      1027752
/proc/cmdline: vga=normal initrd=/install.386/initrd.gz -- quiet desktop=lxde BOOT_IMAGE=/install.386/vmlinuz 
/proc/cpuinfo: processor	: 0
/proc/cpuinfo: vendor_id	: GenuineIntel
/proc/cpuinfo: cpu family	: 15
/proc/cpuinfo: model		: 2
/proc/cpuinfo: model name	: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.80GHz
/proc/cpuinfo: stepping	: 9
/proc/cpuinfo: microcode	: 0x17
/proc/cpuinfo: cpu MHz		: 2791.181
/proc/cpuinfo: cache size	: 512 KB
/proc/cpuinfo: fdiv_bug	: no
/proc/cpuinfo: hlt_bug		: no
/proc/cpuinfo: f00f_bug	: no
/proc/cpuinfo: coma_bug	: no
/proc/cpuinfo: fpu		: yes
/proc/cpuinfo: fpu_exception	: yes
/proc/cpuinfo: cpuid level	: 2
/proc/cpuinfo: wp		: yes
/proc/cpuinfo: flags		: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr pge mca cmov pat pse36 clflush dts acpi mmx fxsr sse sse2 ss ht tm pbe pebs bts cid xtpr
/proc/cpuinfo: bogomips	: 5582.36
/proc/cpuinfo: clflush size	: 64
/proc/cpuinfo: cache_alignment	: 128
/proc/cpuinfo: address sizes	: 36 bits physical, 32 bits virtual
/proc/cpuinfo: power management:
/proc/cpuinfo: 
/proc/ioports: 0000-001f : dma1
/proc/ioports: 0020-0021 : pic1
/proc/ioports: 0040-0043 : timer0
/proc/ioports: 0050-0053 : timer1
/proc/ioports: 0060-0060 : keyboard
/proc/ioports: 0064-0064 : keyboard
/proc/ioports: 0070-007f : rtc0
/proc/ioports: 0080-008f : dma page reg
/proc/ioports: 00a0-00a1 : pic2
/proc/ioports: 00c0-00df : dma2
/proc/ioports: 00f0-00ff : fpu
/proc/ioports: 0170-0177 : 0000:00:1f.1
/proc/ioports:   0170-0177 : ata_piix
/proc/ioports: 01f0-01f7 : 0000:00:1f.1
/proc/ioports:   01f0-01f7 : ata_piix
/proc/ioports: 0376-0376 : 0000:00:1f.1
/proc/ioports:   0376-0376 : ata_piix
/proc/ioports: 0378-037a : parport0
/proc/ioports: 03c0-03df : vga+
/proc/ioports: 03f2-03f2 : floppy
/proc/ioports: 03f4-03f5 : floppy
/proc/ioports: 03f6-03f6 : 0000:00:1f.1
/proc/ioports:   03f6-03f6 : ata_piix
/proc/ioports: 03f7-03f7 : floppy
/proc/ioports: 03f8-03ff : serial
/proc/ioports: 0800-085f : pnp 00:0b
/proc/ioports:   0800-0803 : ACPI PM1a_EVT_BLK
/proc/ioports:   0804-0805 : ACPI PM1a_CNT_BLK
/proc/ioports:   0808-080b : ACPI PM_TMR
/proc/ioports:   0828-082f : ACPI GPE0_BLK
/proc/ioports: 0860-08ff : pnp 00:0b
/proc/ioports: 0c00-0c7f : pnp 00:0b
/proc/ioports: 0cf8-0cff : PCI conf1
/proc/ioports: d000-dfff : PCI Bus 0000:01
/proc/ioports:   de00-deff : 0000:01:05.0
/proc/ioports:     de08-de0f : serial
/proc/ioports:     de10-de17 : serial
/proc/ioports:     de18-de1f : serial
/proc/ioports: eda0-edbf : 0000:00:1f.3
/proc/ioports: edc0-edff : 0000:00:1f.5
/proc/ioports: ee00-eeff : 0000:00:1f.5
/proc/ioports: ff40-ff5f : 0000:00:1d.2
/proc/ioports:   ff40-ff5f : uhci_hcd
/proc/ioports: ff60-ff7f : 0000:00:1d.1
/proc/ioports:   ff60-ff7f : uhci_hcd
/proc/ioports: ff80-ff9f : 0000:00:1d.0
/proc/ioports:   ff80-ff9f : uhci_hcd
/proc/ioports: ffa0-ffaf : 0000:00:1f.1
/proc/ioports:   ffa0-ffaf : ata_piix
/proc/iomem: 00000000-0000ffff : reserved
/proc/iomem: 00010000-0009ffff : System RAM
/proc/iomem: 000a0000-000bffff : Video RAM area
/proc/iomem: 000c0000-000cb7ff : Video ROM
/proc/iomem: 000cd000-000cffff : Adapter ROM
/proc/iomem: 000f0000-000fffff : reserved
/proc/iomem:   000f0000-000fffff : System ROM
/proc/iomem: 00100000-1f773fff : System RAM
/proc/iomem:   01000000-012870ab : Kernel code
/proc/iomem:   012870ac-013cc0bf : Kernel data
/proc/iomem:   0143e000-014bafff : Kernel bss
/proc/iomem: 1f774000-1f775fff : ACPI Non-volatile Storage
/proc/iomem: 1f776000-1f796fff : ACPI Tables
/proc/iomem: 1f797000-1f7fffff : reserved
/proc/iomem: 1f800000-1fffffff : RAM buffer
/proc/iomem: e8000000-efffffff : 0000:00:02.0
/proc/iomem: f0000000-f7ffffff : 0000:00:00.0
/proc/iomem: fe900000-feafffff : PCI Bus 0000:01
/proc/iomem:   fe9fd000-fe9fdfff : 0000:01:05.0
/proc/iomem:   fe9fe000-fe9fffff : 0000:01:09.0
/proc/iomem:     fe9fe000-fe9fffff : 0000:01:09.0
/proc/iomem:   fea00000-fea03fff : 0000:01:09.0
/proc/iomem: feb7f900-feb7f9ff : 0000:00:1f.5
/proc/iomem: feb7fa00-feb7fbff : 0000:00:1f.5
/proc/iomem: feb7fc00-feb7ffff : 0000:00:1f.1
/proc/iomem: feb80000-febfffff : 0000:00:02.0
/proc/iomem: fec00000-fec0ffff : reserved
/proc/iomem:   fec00000-fec003ff : IOAPIC 0
/proc/iomem: fecf0000-fecf0fff : pnp 00:00
/proc/iomem: fee00000-fee0ffff : reserved
/proc/iomem:   fee00000-fee0ffff : pnp 00:00
/proc/iomem:     fee00000-fee00fff : Local APIC
/proc/iomem: ffa80800-ffa80bff : 0000:00:1d.7
/proc/iomem:   ffa80800-ffa80bff : ehci_hcd
/proc/iomem: ffb00000-ffffffff : reserved
/proc/iomem:   ffb00000-ffbfffff : pnp 00:00
/proc/iomem:   ffc00000-ffffffff : pnp 00:00
/proc/interrupts:            CPU0       
/proc/interrupts:   0:         45   IO-APIC-edge      timer
/proc/interrupts:   1:        305   IO-APIC-edge      i8042
/proc/interrupts:   6:         10   IO-APIC-edge      floppy
/proc/interrupts:   7:          0   IO-APIC-edge      parport0
/proc/interrupts:   8:          1   IO-APIC-edge      rtc0
/proc/interrupts:   9:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   acpi
/proc/interrupts:  12:          3   IO-APIC-edge      i8042
/proc/interrupts:  14:     248228   IO-APIC-edge      ata_piix
/proc/interrupts:  15:       5516   IO-APIC-edge      ata_piix
/proc/interrupts:  16:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb2
/proc/interrupts:  17:     626880   IO-APIC-fasteoi   eth0
/proc/interrupts:  18:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb4
/proc/interrupts:  19:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   uhci_hcd:usb3
/proc/interrupts:  23:          0   IO-APIC-fasteoi   ehci_hcd:usb1
/proc/interrupts: NMI:         66   Non-maskable interrupts
/proc/interrupts: LOC:     235561   Local timer interrupts
/proc/interrupts: SPU:          0   Spurious interrupts
/proc/interrupts: PMI:         66   Performance monitoring interrupts
/proc/interrupts: IWI:          0   IRQ work interrupts
/proc/interrupts: ERR:          0
/proc/interrupts: MIS:          0
/proc/meminfo: MemTotal:         506176 kB
/proc/meminfo: MemFree:           46572 kB
/proc/meminfo: Buffers:           51600 kB
/proc/meminfo: Cached:           351032 kB
/proc/meminfo: SwapCached:          116 kB
/proc/meminfo: Active:           203796 kB
/proc/meminfo: Inactive:         177432 kB
/proc/meminfo: Active(anon):        708 kB
/proc/meminfo: Inactive(anon):    22352 kB
/proc/meminfo: Active(file):     203088 kB
/proc/meminfo: Inactive(file):   155080 kB
/proc/meminfo: Unevictable:       44412 kB
/proc/meminfo: Mlocked:               0 kB
/proc/meminfo: HighTotal:             0 kB
/proc/meminfo: HighFree:              0 kB
/proc/meminfo: LowTotal:         506176 kB
/proc/meminfo: LowFree:           46572 kB
/proc/meminfo: SwapTotal:       1028092 kB
/proc/meminfo: SwapFree:        1027752 kB
/proc/meminfo: Dirty:              1020 kB
/proc/meminfo: Writeback:             0 kB
/proc/meminfo: AnonPages:         22956 kB
/proc/meminfo: Mapped:             2236 kB
/proc/meminfo: Shmem:                52 kB
/proc/meminfo: Slab:              25820 kB
/proc/meminfo: SReclaimable:      21528 kB
/proc/meminfo: SUnreclaim:         4292 kB
/proc/meminfo: KernelStack:         464 kB
/proc/meminfo: PageTables:          348 kB
/proc/meminfo: NFS_Unstable:          0 kB
/proc/meminfo: Bounce:                0 kB
/proc/meminfo: WritebackTmp:          0 kB
/proc/meminfo: CommitLimit:     1281180 kB
/proc/meminfo: Committed_AS:      28624 kB
/proc/meminfo: VmallocTotal:     516648 kB
/proc/meminfo: VmallocUsed:        6716 kB
/proc/meminfo: VmallocChunk:     509312 kB
/proc/meminfo: HugePages_Total:       0
/proc/meminfo: HugePages_Free:        0
/proc/meminfo: HugePages_Rsvd:        0
/proc/meminfo: HugePages_Surp:        0
/proc/meminfo: Hugepagesize:       4096 kB
/proc/meminfo: DirectMap4k:      101840 kB
/proc/meminfo: DirectMap4M:      413696 kB
/proc/bus/input/devices: I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0001 Product=0001 Version=ab41
/proc/bus/input/devices: N: Name="AT Translated Set 2 keyboard"
/proc/bus/input/devices: P: Phys=isa0060/serio0/input0
/proc/bus/input/devices: S: Sysfs=/devices/platform/i8042/serio0/input/input0
/proc/bus/input/devices: U: Uniq=
/proc/bus/input/devices: H: Handlers=sysrq kbd 
/proc/bus/input/devices: B: PROP=0
/proc/bus/input/devices: B: EV=120013
/proc/bus/input/devices: B: KEY=4 2000000 3803078 f800d001 feffffdf ffefffff ffffffff fffffffe
/proc/bus/input/devices: B: MSC=10
/proc/bus/input/devices: B: LED=7
/proc/bus/input/devices: 

-- System Information:
Debian Release: 7.0
  APT prefers testing
  APT policy: (500, 'testing')
Architecture: i386 (i686)

Kernel: Linux 3.2.0-4-686-pae (SMP w/1 CPU core)
Locale: LANG=en_US.UTF-8, LC_CTYPE=en_US.UTF-8 (charmap=UTF-8)
Shell: /bin/sh linked to /bin/dash

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reassign 619236 debian-installer
severity 619236 normal
reassign 705484 debian-installer
thanks

Hi,

thank you for submitting installation reports, much appreciated.

I read through all the bugs mentioned here (and I'm sure they were read by 
several people at the time they were submitted) and am closing them now as/if
- they (finally) indicated success and/or
- I know from first hand experience that the functionality is working in 
Wheezy and/or
- they only contained very little information and/or
- they contained user errors and/or
- they were caused by broken hardware and/or
- they have been from a development phase where things were not stable and/or
- they are quite old (and thus likely fixed today) and/or
- moreinfo was asked and not given or
- they are wishlist but rather special + exotic and not have been acted on for 
years. (See http://blog.liw.fi/posts/wishlist-bugs/ why it's often useful to 
close wishlist bugs.)

If I've closed a bug incorrectly please do reply (it's easy to reopen and I'll 
do if requested) or just file a new one - thats often better, as the bug log 
will be clearer and shorter and not contain cruft.


cheers,
        Holger

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