This was meant to be sent to the bug report.... ----- Forwarded message from dryphi <dryphi@gmail.com> ----- Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 19:04:11 -0400 From: dryphi <dryphi@gmail.com> To: Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org> Subject: Re: Bug#640677: installation-reports: Default user "not in the sudoerfs file" after standard install X-CRM114-Status: Good ( pR: 24.8758 ) Got it, thanks. I was unaware of the dichotomy between distributions in regards to the use of sudo / su. This was my first experience with Debian. I got the machine running and am currently attempting to upgrade to Xfce 4.8. I installed Synaptic and let it run; looking forward to seeing where it is when I return home later today. Sorry if my report seemed accusatory. I spent several days trying to complete the install and was becoming increasingly frustrated. Documentation is lacking; that is to say, it does exist, but it's difficult to identify the document(s) that pertain to you, and each document is so detailed that it takes far too much time to sort through to find what you need. It's both quicker and easier to learn by trial-and-error or simply ask someone "hey, what's the command for this?". I do Google for answers every chance I get and read or skim through documentation, but often my questions are not answered. For example: I know it may seem asinine, but is there a document somewhere on the debian.net site that says "use 'su' and not 'sudo" following the install"?? This simple bit of information would have helped considerably, especially for a user coming from Ubuntu. Aside from the difficulty with networking, the rest of the install was relatively straight-forward. The descriptions at each step of the Debian installer were sufficient, although some were a bit brief. It was much easier to install via LAN cable, and I'd say that part of the installer needs a little work (I could not get WEP to work either), but otherwise I didn't have any trouble with the installer. In summary, a _brief_, plainly labeled how-to somewhere that contained the following would have made everything run much more smoothly for me: 1. Pointed to the "unofficial" / non-free ISO / IMG / installer / whatever (I have clicked around on the site and I still cannot find it, someone emailed me a link). 2. Said to use a wired connection due to the lackluster portion of the installer. 3. Explained that Debian prefers not to use 'sudo' and to use 'su' instead. 4. Listed the code for the testing source "deb" links, and the best way to add them. Honestly that could all be put into 1/4 of a word-document, haha. I hear you about offering to help rather than complaining. Again, I wasn't trying to complain, but rather point out areas of difficulty for me that might be used to improve the process for other users. I'd love to help if I could but I'm currently in med school and do not have much free time. Is there anything I could offer to do? I'm somewhat new to *nix but I am a quick learner. Thanks On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:04 PM, Christian PERRIER <bubulle@debian.org> wrote: > Quoting Lennart Sorensen (lsorense@csclub.uwaterloo.ca): > >> As for WEP versus WPA, no idea. I have only ever done installs using >> wired ethernet. Wifi is too flacky for me to trust for an installation >> where a network outage could make you have to start over. > > > WPA is activated (but not yet widely tested) in the installer for the > next Debian version, not in the stable installer. > > Not commenting about people giving us lessons about "hey this is > 2011", except the usual comment: patches welcome. We are well aware > that the stable D-I has no WPA support...just because nobody pushed > this to its end during the development of D-I for squeeze. We're not > magicians: features are not implemented just because someone wishes > them. > > > Another comment about the "user rights" part of this installation > report: "man su". Using "sudo" is not the default behaviour for > administrative access on *nix machines. It is indeed possible if the root > account is indeed deactivated, just like Lennart mentioned. It is also > possible to choose this behaviour in expert installs. > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- --
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