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Bug#385110: marked as done (Installation Report)



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Package: installation-reports
(Russian)
Boot method: CD
Image version: Debian GNU/Linux testing _Etch_ - Official Snapshot i386
Binary-1 (20060803)
Date: 29 august 2006

Machine: самодельный PIV
Processor: Celeron 2.4 GHz
Memory: 512 Mb
Partitions:
Файловая система     1K-блоков      Исп
Доступно  Исп% смонтирована на
/dev/hda5              6728280   1242104   5144396  20% /
tmpfs                   258356         0    258356   0% /dev/shm
/dev/hda7             39060816  21165868  17894948  55% /home
/dev/mapper/Ubuntu-root
                      27850940  14239696  12196488  54% /media/lvm
tmpfs                    10240       120     10120   2% /dev

Вывод результата команд lspci и lspci -n:
andrey:/home/overdrive# lspci
00:00.0 Host bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661FX/M661FX/M661MX
Host (rev 11)
00:01.0 PCI bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS AGP Port (virtual
PCI-to-PCI bridge)
00:02.0 ISA bridge: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS963 [MuTIOL Media
IO] (rev 25)
00:02.5 IDE interface: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 5513 [IDE]
00:02.7 Multimedia audio controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS]
AC'97 Sound Controller (rev a0)
00:03.0 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0
Controller (rev 0f)
00:03.1 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0
Controller (rev 0f)
00:03.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 2.0 Controller
00:04.0 Ethernet controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] SiS900 PCI
Fast Ethernet (rev 90)
00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL-8029(AS)
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX
440 AGP 8x] (rev c1)

andrey:/home/overdrive# lspci -n
00:00.0 0600: 1039:0661 (rev 11)
00:01.0 0604: 1039:0003
00:02.0 0601: 1039:0963 (rev 25)
00:02.5 0101: 1039:5513
00:02.7 0401: 1039:7012 (rev a0)
00:03.0 0c03: 1039:7001 (rev 0f)
00:03.1 0c03: 1039:7001 (rev 0f)
00:03.2 0c03: 1039:7002
00:04.0 0200: 1039:0900 (rev 90)
00:0b.0 0200: 10ec:8029
01:00.0 0300: 10de:0181 (rev c1)

Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Ошибка (описать подробности
ниже), [ ] = не пробовал

Initial boot worked:    [O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network:         [O]
Detect CD:              [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives:     [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:    [O]
Mount partitions:       [O]
Install base system:    [O]
Install boot loader:    [O]
Reboot:                 [O]

Comments/Problems:
Встретившиеся проблемы:
После установки не запускается X.Org: На
машине имеется две видеокарты -
встроенная на материнку SiS и внешняя -
Nvidia 4 MX440. Инсталлятор в xorg.conf прописывает
BusID nvidi'евской видюхи (PCI 1:0:0) а драйвер
ставит sis, всё заработало, когда поменял
драйвер с sis на nv.
Мелочи:
1) вначале инсталлятор примерно на
минуту зависает пытаясь обратится к
несуществующему флопику, и ещё в ходе
установки несколько раз сообщает об
ошибке чтения с того-же флоппи (в 4-ой
консоли).
2) видимо система путает порядок
устройств, так встроенную сетевую карту
он определил как eth1 а вторую внешнюю как
eth0 (другие дистрибутивы делают
наоборот).
3) установка очень долго пытается
подключится к зеркалу апдейтов и никак
нельзя её остановить (в и-нет я выхожу не
через через обычный шлюз а только через
прокси, к тому же я не хочу чтобы
инсталлятор скачивал обновления). Думаю
всё же стоит предусмотреть возможность
отменить скачивание индексов/апдейтов
во время установки.
4) было бы лучше если бы пакет mc
устанавливался по умолчанию, с ним
как-то легче лазить по системе править
конфиги.
5) Желательно чтобы инсталлятор найдя
разделы LVM автоматически устанавливал
lvm2 и прописывал его в автозапуск.
X Window System Version 7.0.0
Release Date: 21 December 2005
X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 7.0
Build Operating System:Linux 2.6.12-1-686 i686
Current Operating System: Linux andrey 2.6.16-2-686 #1 Sat Jul 15 21:59:21 UTC 2006 i686
Build Date: 16 March 2006
	Before reporting problems, check http://wiki.x.org
	to make sure that you have the latest version.
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
	(++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
	(WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/Xorg.0.log", Time: Tue Aug 29 11:21:51 2006
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor"
(**) |   |-->Device "Silicon Integrated Systems (SiS) 661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP"
(**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
(**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse"
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType" does not exist.
	Entry deleted from font path.
(**) FontPath set to "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/:unscaled,/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi,/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi,/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/TTF/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/OTF,/usr/share/fonts/X11/Type1/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/CID/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/100dpi/,/usr/share/fonts/X11/75dpi/"
(==) RgbPath set to "/usr/share/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/lib/xorg/modules"
(II) Module ABI versions:
	X.Org ANSI C Emulation: 0.2
	X.Org Video Driver: 0.8
	X.Org XInput driver : 0.5
	X.Org Server Extension : 0.2
	X.Org Font Renderer : 0.4
(II) Loader running on linux
(II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libbitmap.so
(II) Module bitmap: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
	ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4
(II) Loading font Bitmap
(II) LoadModule: "pcidata"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libpcidata.so
(II) Module pcidata: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
(++) using VT number 7

(II) PCI: PCI scan (all values are in hex)
(II) PCI: 00:00:0: chip 1039,0661 card 1849,0661 rev 11 class 06,00,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:01:0: chip 1039,0003 card 0000,0000 rev 00 class 06,04,00 hdr 01
(II) PCI: 00:02:0: chip 1039,0963 card 0000,0000 rev 25 class 06,01,00 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:02:5: chip 1039,5513 card 1849,5513 rev 00 class 01,01,80 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:02:7: chip 1039,7012 card 1849,7012 rev a0 class 04,01,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:03:0: chip 1039,7001 card 1849,7001 rev 0f class 0c,03,10 hdr 80
(II) PCI: 00:03:1: chip 1039,7001 card 1849,7001 rev 0f class 0c,03,10 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:03:2: chip 1039,7002 card 1849,7002 rev 00 class 0c,03,20 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:04:0: chip 1039,0900 card 1849,0900 rev 90 class 02,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 00:0b:0: chip 10ec,8029 card 10ec,8029 rev 00 class 02,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: 01:00:0: chip 10de,0181 card 0000,0000 rev c1 class 03,00,00 hdr 00
(II) PCI: End of PCI scan
(II) Host-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 0: bridge is at (0:0:0), (0,0,1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 0 I/O range:
	[0] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
(II) Bus 0 non-prefetchable memory range:
	[0] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
(II) Bus 0 prefetchable memory range:
	[0] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
(II) PCI-to-PCI bridge:
(II) Bus 1: bridge is at (0:1:0), (0,1,2), BCTRL: 0x000a (VGA_EN is set)
(II) Bus 1 non-prefetchable memory range:
	[0] -1	0	0xcdd00000 - 0xcfefffff (0x2200000) MX[B]
(II) Bus 1 prefetchable memory range:
	[0] -1	0	0xbda00000 - 0xcdbfffff (0x10200000) MX[B]
(II) PCI-to-ISA bridge:
(II) Bus -1: bridge is at (0:2:0), (0,-1,-1), BCTRL: 0x0008 (VGA_EN is set)
(--) PCI:*(1:0:0) nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 440 AGP 8x] rev 193, Mem @ 0xce000000/24, 0xc0000000/27, BIOS @ 0xcfee0000/17
(II) Addressable bus resource ranges are
	[0] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0xffffffff (0x0) MX[B]
	[1] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0x0000ffff (0x10000) IX[B]
(II) OS-reported resource ranges:
	[0] -1	0	0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B)
	[1] -1	0	0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
	[2] -1	0	0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
	[3] -1	0	0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
	[4] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
	[5] -1	0	0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
	[6] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) PCI Memory resource overlap reduced 0xe0000000 from 0xe3ffffff to 0xdfffffff
(II) Active PCI resource ranges:
	[0] -1	0	0xcfffc000 - 0xcfffcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[1] -1	0	0xcffff000 - 0xcfffffff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[2] -1	0	0xcfffe000 - 0xcfffefff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[3] -1	0	0xcfffd000 - 0xcfffdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[4] -1	0	0xe0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
	[5] -1	0	0xcfee0000 - 0xcfefffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
	[6] -1	0	0xc0000000 - 0xc7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
	[7] -1	0	0xce000000 - 0xceffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
	[8] -1	0	0x0000d000 - 0x0000d01f (0x20) IX[B]
	[9] -1	0	0x0000d400 - 0x0000d4ff (0x100) IX[B]
	[10] -1	0	0x0000d800 - 0x0000d87f (0x80) IX[B]
	[11] -1	0	0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dcff (0x100) IX[B]
	[12] -1	0	0x0000ff00 - 0x0000ff0f (0x10) IX[B]
(II) Active PCI resource ranges after removing overlaps:
	[0] -1	0	0xcfffc000 - 0xcfffcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[1] -1	0	0xcffff000 - 0xcfffffff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[2] -1	0	0xcfffe000 - 0xcfffefff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[3] -1	0	0xcfffd000 - 0xcfffdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[4] -1	0	0xe0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
	[5] -1	0	0xcfee0000 - 0xcfefffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
	[6] -1	0	0xc0000000 - 0xc7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
	[7] -1	0	0xce000000 - 0xceffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
	[8] -1	0	0x0000d000 - 0x0000d01f (0x20) IX[B]
	[9] -1	0	0x0000d400 - 0x0000d4ff (0x100) IX[B]
	[10] -1	0	0x0000d800 - 0x0000d87f (0x80) IX[B]
	[11] -1	0	0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dcff (0x100) IX[B]
	[12] -1	0	0x0000ff00 - 0x0000ff0f (0x10) IX[B]
(II) OS-reported resource ranges after removing overlaps with PCI:
	[0] -1	0	0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B)
	[1] -1	0	0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
	[2] -1	0	0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
	[3] -1	0	0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
	[4] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
	[5] -1	0	0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
	[6] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
(II) All system resource ranges:
	[0] -1	0	0xffe00000 - 0xffffffff (0x200000) MX[B](B)
	[1] -1	0	0x00100000 - 0x3fffffff (0x3ff00000) MX[B]E(B)
	[2] -1	0	0x000f0000 - 0x000fffff (0x10000) MX[B]
	[3] -1	0	0x000c0000 - 0x000effff (0x30000) MX[B]
	[4] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0x0009ffff (0xa0000) MX[B]
	[5] -1	0	0xcfffc000 - 0xcfffcfff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[6] -1	0	0xcffff000 - 0xcfffffff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[7] -1	0	0xcfffe000 - 0xcfffefff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[8] -1	0	0xcfffd000 - 0xcfffdfff (0x1000) MX[B]
	[9] -1	0	0xe0000000 - 0xdfffffff (0x0) MX[B]O
	[10] -1	0	0xcfee0000 - 0xcfefffff (0x20000) MX[B](B)
	[11] -1	0	0xc0000000 - 0xc7ffffff (0x8000000) MX[B](B)
	[12] -1	0	0xce000000 - 0xceffffff (0x1000000) MX[B](B)
	[13] -1	0	0x0000ffff - 0x0000ffff (0x1) IX[B]
	[14] -1	0	0x00000000 - 0x000000ff (0x100) IX[B]
	[15] -1	0	0x0000d000 - 0x0000d01f (0x20) IX[B]
	[16] -1	0	0x0000d400 - 0x0000d4ff (0x100) IX[B]
	[17] -1	0	0x0000d800 - 0x0000d87f (0x80) IX[B]
	[18] -1	0	0x0000dc00 - 0x0000dcff (0x100) IX[B]
	[19] -1	0	0x0000ff00 - 0x0000ff0f (0x10) IX[B]
(II) LoadModule: "i2c"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libi2c.so
(II) Module i2c: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.2.0
	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
(II) LoadModule: "bitmap"
(II) Reloading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libbitmap.so
(II) Loading font Bitmap
(II) LoadModule: "ddc"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libddc.so
(II) Module ddc: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
(II) LoadModule: "dri"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libdri.so
(II) Module dri: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading sub module "drm"
(II) LoadModule: "drm"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/linux/libdrm.so
(II) Module drm: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DRI
(II) LoadModule: "extmod"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libextmod.so
(II) Module extmod: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	Module class: X.Org Server Extension
	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension SHAPE
(II) Loading extension MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD
(II) Loading extension BIG-REQUESTS
(II) Loading extension SYNC
(II) Loading extension MIT-SCREEN-SAVER
(II) Loading extension XC-MISC
(II) Loading extension XFree86-VidModeExtension
(II) Loading extension XFree86-Misc
(II) Loading extension XFree86-DGA
(II) Loading extension DPMS
(II) Loading extension TOG-CUP
(II) Loading extension Extended-Visual-Information
(II) Loading extension XVideo
(II) Loading extension XVideo-MotionCompensation
(II) Loading extension X-Resource
(II) LoadModule: "freetype"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libfreetype.so
(II) Module freetype: vendor="X.Org Foundation & the After X-TT Project"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 2.1.0
	Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
	ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4
(II) Loading font FreeType
(II) LoadModule: "glx"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so
(II) Module glx: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading sub module "GLcore"
(II) LoadModule: "GLcore"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so
(II) Module GLcore: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org Server Extension, version 0.2
(II) Loading extension GLX
(II) LoadModule: "int10"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libint10.so
(II) Module int10: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.0
	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
(II) LoadModule: "type1"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libtype1.so
(II) Module type1: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.2
	Module class: X.Org Font Renderer
	ABI class: X.Org Font Renderer, version 0.4
(II) Loading font Type1
(II) LoadModule: "vbe"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/libvbe.so
(II) Module vbe: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.1.0
	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
(II) LoadModule: "sis"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/drivers/sis_drv.so
(II) Module sis: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 0.8.1
	Module class: X.Org Video Driver
	ABI class: X.Org Video Driver, version 0.8
(II) LoadModule: "kbd"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/kbd_drv.so
(II) Module kbd: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.1
	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.5
(II) LoadModule: "mouse"
(II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/input/mouse_drv.so
(II) Module mouse: vendor="X.Org Foundation"
	compiled for 7.0.0, module version = 1.0.4
	Module class: X.Org XInput Driver
	ABI class: X.Org XInput driver, version 0.5
(II) SIS: driver for SiS chipsets: SIS5597/5598, SIS530/620,
	SIS6326/AGP/DVD, SIS300/305, SIS630/730, SIS540, SIS315, SIS315H,
	SIS315PRO/E, SIS550, SIS650/M650/651/740, SIS330(Xabre),
	SIS660/[M]661[F|M]X/[M]670/[M]741[GX]/[M]760[GX]/[M]761[GX]/[M]770[GX],
	SIS340
(II) SIS: driver for XGI chipsets: Volari Z7 (XG20),
	Volari V3XT/V5/V8/Duo (XG40)
(II) Primary Device is: PCI 01:00:0
(EE) No devices detected.

Fatal server error:
no screens found

Attachment: xorg.conf
Description: Binary data

Attachment: hardware-summary
Description: Binary data


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We are closing this installation report for one of the following
reasons:
- it was reported with a pre-lenny version of Debian
  Installer.
- indications in the installation report give the feeling that
  the reported problem waslying in another software, unrelated to
  D-I, which we can't easily identify.
- indications in the installation report suggest that it may have been
  fixed in a more recent version of a D-I component
- it was successful and we forgot closing it..:-)
- it has no information we consider useful


The D-I team is currently in the process of cleaning out the old spool
of installation reports that haven't bene processed yet. 

In case you think that the problem you reported has chances to be
still present, please reiterate your installation test with
a more recent image of D-I, if you're in position of doing this.

You'll find daily builds at
http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer. We recommend you choose
the netboot image, in the "daily builds section", then choose to
install "squeeze" when prompted.

If some problems are found, please report them with a new bug sent
against installation-reports.

Many thanks for your understanding and your help improving Debian,
past and present.



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