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Bug#437018: marked as done (Network shouldn't be used/enforced on non-network installs)

Your message dated Wed, 15 Aug 2007 16:13:23 -0400
with message-id <20070815201323.GA6589@kitenet.net>
and subject line Bug#437018: Network shouldn't be used/enforced on non-network installs
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--- Begin Message --- Package: debian-installer
Version: 20070308
Priority: wishlist

During installs from CD-ROM and DVD media, users are still currently prompted to set up the network and download security fixes from the network.  However, many (quite possibly most) users who use the full-blown install media (as opposed to the netinstall CD) do not have access to a network connection which is functional during the install and as such have to navigate through these steps and the inevitable errors they produce for no reason at all. 

It would be GREAT if the network-related steps would be skipped/bypassed on a default install from non-netinstall media.  Users then could configure the network at their leisure after the install using the tools they prefer (NetworkManager etc).  Could this be considered?

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Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> ("there's no working connection to the Internet, but what the heck,
> we'll try anyway, and if it doesn't work, the admin will have to wait
> for the connection to time out an insane number of times")

If there's no network connection *at all*, there is no timeout to wait
for. Try it yourself:

root@kodama:/home/joey>ifdown wlan0
...
root@kodama:/home/joey>time apt-get update
...
0.06user 0.04system 0:00.21elapsed 48%CPU (0avgtext+0avgdata 0maxresident)k
0inputs+0outputs (0major+3403minor)pagefaults 0swaps
zsh: exit 100   command time apt-get update

In the edge case where there is a network connection with a default route that
doesn't work, you get to wait for a timeout. We have discussed this before,
and this is a sufficiently uncommon enough case that it's not worth asking
in every install whether d-i should hit the network[1]. If you're in such a
situation, unplug your network cable, or fix your network before trying to
install Debian, or run the install in expert mode and tell it not to set
up a network connection.

Recent versions of apt-setup also prompt for whether to use security updates
and other apt sources, but only in expert mode.

-- 
see shy jo

[1] which it does by default for other things than just security updates

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