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Bug#428749: Upstream bug and IRC conversation



 Attached is an IRC conversation on this bug.

 Bug being discussed upstream at:
    <http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=447498>

-- 
Loïc Minier
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12:00 -!- Channel #debian-boot created Wed May  9 06:06:52 2007
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12:01 < fjp> :-)
12:01 < lool> fjp: There were fixes with color names
12:02 < fjp> We're only using color codes (#xxxxxx)
12:03 < fjp> lool: Here's our gtkrc file: http://svn.debian.org/wsvn/d-i/trunk/packages/rootskel-gtk/src/usr/share/themes/Clearlooks/gtk-2.0/gtkrc?op=file&rev=0&sc=0
12:03 < lool> fjp: So, first, I'd recommend considering a switch to symbolic names for colors
12:03 < lool> (But this is unrelated)
12:03 < Supaplex> fjp: is it important that netboot d-i's grub won't boot win2k3r2 after installing? It just hangs. I'm going to try fixoring it later. (sleep is near)
12:04 < fjp> Hmm. That is pretty hard as we have a very specific color red to match the banner.
12:04 < fjp> Supaplex: Yes, it is important.
12:04 < fjp> Supaplex: I'll be happy top work with you on that.
12:05 < Supaplex> should I file a bug? - I'll do a little more research.
12:05 < fjp> Supaplex: There is already one open.
12:06 < Supaplex> ahh ok. MSFT has free trials of 2k3r2 iso's for downloading if you want to try anything.  How can I help?
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12:07 < lool> fjp: I wonder if these might be changes in clearlooks
12:07 < fjp> Supaplex: It works for me, so you will have to do the debugging.
12:07 < Supaplex> I installed via debian.exe baiscly 12 hours ago or something.
12:08 < fjp> lool: Yes, could be. I don't find them logical though.
12:08 < lool> fjp: The symbolic color names can be defined of course; the benefit is that people can derive other colors from the symbolic names, for example "a slightly darker red than red"
12:08 < Supaplex> everything works ok, but booting back to windows. pretty much defaults. I already had free space to use
12:08 < Supaplex> ok. I'll catch my sleep() cycle, and try again soon. just /msg me or memoserv if I'm offline, if you think of any other needs.
12:08 < fjp> Supaplex: I don't have time for this until after debconf.
12:09 < fjp> lool: Ah, OK. A pointer to some documentation would be nice.
12:10 < lool> fjp: I'm going away for lunch now; I'll search for information on gtkrc symbolic color names and research this bug after lunch
12:10 < fjp> lool: Thx. Bon apetit.
12:10 < lool> fjp: I'm now pretty sure it's a Clearlooks change; if you like you can read through /usr/share/doc/gtk2-engines/NEWS.gz
12:11 < lool> And/or try gtk2-engines 2.8 (or etch's) rebuilt against gtk 2.10
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12:24 < fjp> lool: Looks like it could be: "Bug 407440 - Use text[NORMAL] for active checkmarks" in 2.9.4
12:26 < fjp> That does make some sense, but OTOH it does make things a bit dull. I quite liked having the checkmarks in the support color.
12:26 < fjp> And if it really is text[NORMAL], we cannot even change it as we'd also change the text color which is something I definitely would not want.
12:26 < fjp> So, very much :-(
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12:30 < fjp> lool: Looking at the bug I do find it very hard to link the reported problem to the solution though.
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13:11 < lool> fjp: I'm glad you found the relevant change; I'm not very versed in writing gtkrc; do you think you could adapt d-i's gtkrc and version the dep on clearlooks?  Or do you think we should enhance the new clearlooks to support more refined settings?
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13:17 < lool> fjp: Concerning the symbolic color names and the derived colors, this is covered in the Gtk documentation which you can either browse with devhelp (search for gtkrc for example), or in HTML; http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/2.0/gtk/gtk-Resource-Files.html#id2628531
13:22 < lool> fjp: And this one of the blog post I've seen on Planet GNOME suggesting symbolic names are a good thing: http://jimmac.musichall.cz/weblog.php/Artwork/Darkilouche.php
13:26 < fjp> lool: Thx for the links.
13:26 < fjp> lool: Compare the screenshots here: http://alioth.debian.org/~fjp-guest/tmp/clearlooks/
13:27 < fjp> I'd suggest contacting upstream and see if this was really intended. It would be nice if it could be enhanced.
13:27 < fjp> IMO the old look with the colors was a lot nicer.
13:28 < lool> fjp: Wow, the unstable clearlooks is safer, it selects "No" to "Write changes to disks"   :-P
13:28 < fjp> lol
13:29 < lool> I'm surprized about the gradient too
13:31 < fjp> What gradient exactly?
13:32 < lool> In the title
13:32 < lool> And in selected lines
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13:34 < fjp> lool: That is because I actually changed the banner and the color slightly. I'll create unstable screenshots with identical color setting.
13:34 < lool> fjp: Ah
13:35 < lool> fjp: I just filed an upstream bug; could you please fix my report to be more accurate?
13:35 < lool> http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=447498
13:35 < fjp> OK. I'll reassign the BTS one to gtk2-engines-udeb.
13:35 < fjp> Lunch first.
13:35 < fjp> Will you be at debconf?
13:36 < apt_get> its normal isolinux not have /dev/loop* ?
13:36 < lool> fjp: BTW, I uploaded a new glib, a new gtk+2.0 and just right now a new pango1.0 to experimental; these are worth a shot; it's a new Gtk major series (2.12.x instead of 2.10.x), and glib is stricter than in the past with memory allocations
13:36 < fjp> OK. Will try that later.
13:36 < lool> fjp: And there's a new gtk in unstable which has the big 2.12 -> 2.10 backporting work attilio and mike emmel have been doing upstream
13:36 < fjp> Cool
13:37 < lool> This new Gtk is on its way to testing already, I expect it will mostly bring bug fixes in directfb, and there shouldn't be many more bug fixes in experimental's gtk
13:37 < lool> The experimental Gtk has some cool stuff such as compositing support, but I'm afraid it needs X for this
13:38 < lool> apt_get: modprobe loop?
13:38 < fjp> If it's in unstable, I have already been using it in my tests yesterday.
13:38 < lool> fjp: I uploaded it yesterday
13:38 < lool> 2.10.13-1
13:39 < fjp> Ah, Ok. Will get it in my tests today then.
13:39 < lool> fjp: Sending this IRC log and the GNOME bug to Debian 428749

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