Bug#256315: marked as done (should offer to reconfugure apt if apt run failed)
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uname -a: Linux sol 2.4.26-1-386 #2 Sat May 1 16:31:24 EST 2004 i686
GNU/Linux
Date: June 8, 2004, 9:40pm
Method: From installation CD, Debian Sarge Test Candidate 1
Machine: No-name PC
Processor: Duron 800
Memory: 256 MB
Root Device: IDE /dev/hda
Root Size/partition table:
sol:/home/dustin# fdisk -l /dev/hda
Disk /dev/hda: 20.0 GB, 20020396032 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 2434 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes
Device Boot Start End Blocks Id System Mounted on
/dev/hda1 * 1 765 6144831 83 Linux unused
/dev/hda2 766 831 530145 82 Linux swap
/dev/hda3 832 1469 5124735 83 Linux /
/dev/hda4 1470 2434 7751362+ 83 Linux unused
Output of lspci:
sol:/home/dustin# lspci
pcilib: Cannot open /sys/bus/pci/devices
0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133]
(rev 03)
0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8363/8365 [KT133/KM133 AGP]
0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super
South] (rev 40)
0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: VIA Technologies, Inc.
VT82C586A/B/VT82C686/A/B/VT823x/A/C/VT8235 PIPC Bus Master IDE (rev 06)
0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6202 [USB 2.0
controller] (rev 16)
0000:00:07.3 USB Controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT6202 [USB 2.0
controller] (rev 16)
0000:00:07.4 Host bridge: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT82C686 [Apollo Super
ACPI] (rev 40)
0000:00:0e.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905C-TX/TX-M
[Tornado] (rev 78)
0000:00:0f.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1
(rev 08)
0000:00:0f.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! MIDI/Game
Port (rev 08)
0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV5M64 [RIVA
TNT2 Model 64/Model 64 Pro] (rev 15)
Base System Installation Checklist:
Initial boot worked: [O]
Configure network HW: [O]
Config network: [O]
Detect CD: [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives: [O]
Partition hard drives: [O]
Create file systems: [O]
Mount partitions: [O]
Install base system: [O]
Install boot loader: [O]
Reboot: [O]
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it
Comments/Problems:
Did a virtually default install, not creating new partitions, but I let
the installer format a partition. The initial install was flawless. I
was jumping for joy that Debian installer had finally got it right. But I
wasn't out of the woods yet!
Here are the snags I encountered:
1) Next I used "tasksel" to install these categories:
Desktop environment
Games
Linux Standard Base
Office environment
Custom kernel compilation
Debian Jr.
Scientific applications
TeX/LaTeX environment
At first, I chose the Debian mirror "mirror.direct.ca". That mirror was
missing the package libmpeg, so the apt-getting crapped out ungracefully!
Repeated attempts to download failed, even when the "apt-get update"-ing
was repeated. The problem was solved by choosing a different mirror.
**Perhaps the advice to back up a few steps and and try a different mirror
would have been helpful to more novice users, if not all packages could be
downloaded by apt.**
2) Once the actual packages were getting installed en masse (and many
packages ask questions), all of a sudden there was a huge jump in
confusion.
The questions asked during package installation, *****which novice users
will view as part of the initial install***** (even though they are
technically out of the hands of the Debian Installer) were very
novice-unfriendly.
Many packages did not offer recommendations as default answers. I can't
remember quite which ones, but any and all packages that ask questions
that are part of the tasks:
Desktop environment
Games
Linux Standard Base
Office environment
...in tasksel should refrain from asking the end user questions, or make
it very easy and dumbed down, and always recommend a default answer if
they're unsure (like the linux kernel does when you configure it). In
other words, these "critical path" packages (which every novice will
install) need to be very easy to configure at the time of package
installation.
Two prime examples:
-the package "resolvconf" should have not asked its question, it should
have just done the default thing, putting a note in a file in
/usr/share/doc/resolvconf/, which all geeks who run into a snag will
figure out to look to.
-the package xserver-xfree86 talked about the DDC protocol, then I chose
for the autodection of my monitor's powers to be attempted, then the next
thing I knew, I was being asked to chose between simple, medium, or
advanced configuring (of XF86Config). I was not told how the DDC
autodetection went!! For all I know it didn't even occur. The questions
about autodetecting got my hopes up that configuring X would be easy, but
no, I had to do it the hard way (by using advanced mode, and manually
entering my Horiz and Vert frequencies, which has been proven to be the
only way to get it right in the past). There needs to be informational
messages like "Now trying DDC detection, please wait", and "DDC detection
failed, now you'll have to configure manually.
Why can't there be a graphical config interface where you try different
modes, clicking Yes when you see the one you like, each mode temporarily
showing for 10 seconds? Every other Linux distro has this problem licked!
Configuring X has got to be easier!
3) Once I actually got to my KDE desktop, I was annoyed that there was no
menu icon anywhere for launching mozilla (like in "Internet" in the menu),
even though it's probably the most heavily used piece of Linux software of
all time. There should also be an icon on the menu bar, beside Konqueror.
Choice is good! There are other web browsers in the menu alongside
Konqueror, why not Mozilla?
4) K3B, which is the best burning software ever, should have been
installed by default under whatever task the package "grip" is under.
This is a killer app, please include it by default!! Also, the K3B should
also depend on the cdrdao package, but doesn't.
Dustin Harriman
annexia.ca
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Source: base-config
Source-Version: 2.75
We believe that the bug you reported is fixed in the latest version of
base-config, which is due to be installed in the Debian FTP archive:
base-config_2.75.dsc
to pool/main/b/base-config/base-config_2.75.dsc
base-config_2.75.tar.gz
to pool/main/b/base-config/base-config_2.75.tar.gz
base-config_2.75_all.deb
to pool/main/b/base-config/base-config_2.75_all.deb
A summary of the changes between this version and the previous one is
attached.
Thank you for reporting the bug, which will now be closed. If you
have further comments please address them to 256315@bugs.debian.org,
and the maintainer will reopen the bug report if appropriate.
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Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2005 15:55:07 -0500
Source: base-config
Binary: base-config
Architecture: source all
Version: 2.75
Distribution: unstable
Urgency: low
Maintainer: Debian Install System Team <debian-boot@lists.debian.org>
Changed-By: Joey Hess <joeyh@debian.org>
Description:
base-config - Debian base system configurator
Closes: 106875 228839 228839 240700 242718 245164 245164 246880 247037 256315 259871 265908 267242 275543 276638 299554 341130 341456 343844 344055
Changes:
base-config (2.75) unstable; urgency=low
.
The "death march" release.
.
[ Joey Hess ]
* Adjust section to match overrides.
.
[ Colin Watson ]
* Exclude backup files and files under debian/ from the po build system,
and make sure executables are processed in a consistent order to avoid
lots of diff noise.
* Copy passwd/username, so that e.g. exim4-config still works after user
configuration moves to d-i (closes: #341130).
.
[ Joey Hess ]
* Remove the passwd reconfiguration code, user-setup handles this now in
d-i.
* Clean up the intro message to not mention stuff that the ever-shrinking
base-config no longer does.
.
[ Translations ]
* add Bengali translations (Progga <progga@BengaLinux.Org>)
* Updated Brazilian Portuguese translation.
* Updated French translation.
* Updated Galician translation.
* Updated Spanish translation.
* Updated Czech translation.
* Updated Vietnamese translation. Closes: #343844
* Updated Swedish translation. Closes: #344055
.
[ Man pages translations ]
* Updated Spanish. Closes: #341456
.
[ Joey Hess ]
* Drop debconf/priority propigation from d-i as d-i no longer propigates it.
Closes: #228839, #245164
* Depends on debconf 1.4.61, since this is the first version to default
the priority to high, which is the priority we need with this change.
Closes: #228839, #245164
* Remove debconf-seed menu item, mostly, taken over by preseed 1.11.
Closes: #276638
NOTE NOTE NOTE: This means that base-config/early_command is removed.
* Remove base-config/late_command too, for consistency.
* pkgsel moved into a udeb. Closes: #240700, #242718, #256315, #259871
Closes: #247037
* MTA reconfiguration is not necessary with current debootstrap, since
no MTA is installed as part of the base system, so the user will see the
MTA question as usual if their task selection/whatever causes a MTA to be
installed.
* The pon menu item is not useful, since base-config no longer accesses the
net to install packages. Closes: #299554
* Remove GDM language fixup code, since bug #265101 got fixed.
* base-config no longer does anything with the network.
Closes: #106875, #265908, #267242
* Some other bugs that no longer apply due to removed code in base-config:
Closes: #246880, #275543
* Remove d-i debconf variable copying code, now handled by pkgsel.
* base-config program left in for compatability with old d-i's and such for
now, but it's essentially a no-op and everything has moved into d-i.
(d-i also still uses validlocale from this package for now.)
Next step will be removing this package entirely...
Files:
821a20ab99da54a61878d4ff0a4ee857 719 admin important base-config_2.75.dsc
864dfc590cde6a431ff4894791c24921 306255 admin important base-config_2.75.tar.gz
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