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Package: installation-reports

INSTALL REPORT

Debian-installer-version: 20050406 from
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc3/sarge-i386-netinst.iso
uname -a: Linux matthew 2.6.8-2-386 #1 Mon Jan 24 03:01:58 EST 2005 i686
GNU/Linux
Date: 20050406 @ 16:00 GMT
Method: I installed from a local partial mirror located on an external
USB hard rive.  I booted directly from the install CD.

Machine: Gateway GP7-450
Processor: Pentium III (Katmai)
Memory: 128 MB SDRAM
Root Device: IDE - /dev/hda - Maxtor 9102404-(PM)
Root Size/partition table:

# fdisk -l

Disk /dev/hda: 10.2 GB, 10239860736 bytes
255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 1244 cylinders
Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes

    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
    /dev/hda1               1          31      248976   82  Linux swap
    /dev/hda2   *          32          47      128520   83  Linux
    /dev/hda3              48         109      498015   83  Linux
    /dev/hda4             110        1244     9116887+  8e  Linux LVM

hda2 is /boot and hda3 is /

# vgdisplay -v
     Finding all volume groups
     Finding volume group "vg00"
   --- Volume group ---
   VG Name               vg00
   System ID
   Format                lvm2
   Metadata Areas        1
   Metadata Sequence No  8
   VG Access             read/write
   VG Status             resizable
   MAX LV                0
   Cur LV                5
   Open LV               5
   Max PV                0
   Cur PV                1
   Act PV                1
   VG Size               8.69 GB
   PE Size               4.00 MB
   Total PE              2225
   Alloc PE / Size       2048 / 8.00 GB
   Free  PE / Size       177 / 708.00 MB
   VG UUID               JMwLfq-s6Yp-jTSA-8BG9-nd4F-fjYu-kiA1kv

   --- Logical volume ---
   LV Name                /dev/vg00/usr
   VG Name                vg00
   LV UUID                x26xFI-wo6x-pQQk-q1UR-WRSm-KZRZ-qScAlf
   LV Write Access        read/write
   LV Status              available
   # open                 1
   LV Size                3.00 GB
   Current LE             768
   Segments               1
   Allocation             inherit
   Read ahead sectors     0
   Block device           254:0

   --- Logical volume ---
   LV Name                /dev/vg00/opt
   VG Name                vg00
   LV UUID                seZ8kh-e4gJ-IzVl-JepF-OBrR-DrVs-Ge3ZV4
   LV Write Access        read/write
   LV Status              available
   # open                 1
   LV Size                1.00 GB
   Current LE             256
   Segments               1
   Allocation             inherit
   Read ahead sectors     0
   Block device           254:1

   --- Logical volume ---
   LV Name                /dev/vg00/var
   VG Name                vg00
   LV UUID                3OqRWb-W6K0-kZrI-sqyf-EPDV-ITn4-E7Dlqj
   LV Write Access        read/write
   LV Status              available
   # open                 1
   LV Size                2.00 GB
   Current LE             512
   Segments               1
   Allocation             inherit
   Read ahead sectors     0
   Block device           254:2

   --- Logical volume ---
   LV Name                /dev/vg00/local
   VG Name                vg00
   LV UUID                h7jQkq-hyRq-lKR5-EdVK-1BLe-PWAL-Od8kgA
   LV Write Access        read/write
   LV Status              available
   # open                 1
   LV Size                1.00 GB
   Current LE             256
   Segments               1
   Allocation             inherit
   Read ahead sectors     0
   Block device           254:3

   --- Logical volume ---
   LV Name                /dev/vg00/home
   VG Name                vg00
   LV UUID                WiOHQA-cn1I-M8xf-w5Kk-2KRq-iLtl-SD6BGd
   LV Write Access        read/write
   LV Status              available
   # open                 1
   LV Size                1.00 GB
   Current LE             256
   Segments               1
   Allocation             inherit
   Read ahead sectors     0
   Block device           254:4

   --- Physical volumes ---
   PV Name               /dev/hda4
   PV UUID               ecZpSi-Up5E-1FiH-YTgV-l03q-7p7S-J5rZ2Y
   PV Status             allocatable
   Total PE / Free PE    2225 / 177

Output of lspci and lspci -n:

# lspci
0000:00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX Host
bridge (rev 03)
0000:00:01.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 440BX/ZX/DX - 82443BX/ZX/DX AGP
bridge (rev 03)
0000:00:07.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ISA (rev 02)
0000:00:07.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 IDE (rev 01)
0000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 USB (rev 01)
0000:00:07.3 Bridge: Intel Corp. 82371AB/EB/MB PIIX4 ACPI (rev 02)
0000:00:0e.0 Multimedia audio controller: Ensoniq ES1371 [AudioPCI-97]
(rev 06)
0000:00:10.0 Ethernet controller: 3Com Corporation 3c905B 100BaseTX
[Cyclone] (rev 24)
0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV4 [RIVA
TNT] (rev 04)

# lspci -n
0000:00:00.0 0600: 8086:7190 (rev 03)
0000:00:01.0 0604: 8086:7191 (rev 03)
0000:00:07.0 0601: 8086:7110 (rev 02)
0000:00:07.1 0101: 8086:7111 (rev 01)
0000:00:07.2 0c03: 8086:7112 (rev 01)
0000:00:07.3 0680: 8086:7113 (rev 02)
0000:00:0e.0 0401: 1274:1371 (rev 06)
0000:00:10.0 0200: 10b7:9055 (rev 24)
0000:01:00.0 0300: 10de:0020 (rev 04)


Base System Installation Checklist:
[O] = OK, [E] = Error (please elaborate below), [ ] = didn't try it

Initial boot worked:    [O]
Configure network HW:   [O]
Config network:         [O]
Detect CD:              [O]
Load installer modules: [O]
Detect hard drives:     [O]
Partition hard drives:  [O]
Create file systems:    [O]
Mount partitions:       [O]
Install base system:    [O]
Install boot loader:    [O]
Reboot:                 [O]

Comments/Problems:

The install process is mostly newbie friendly.  One recommendation I
would make
is the installation of a bootsplash-enabled kernel.  (I know that the
startup
messages are important, but most users, especially new users, don't know or
don't care about the messages.  It will probably also confuse some users.)

I created my mirror of the Debian archive using the option --dist=sarge
(since
the man page recommends not using testing as it is unpredictable).  The
problem
is that when I pointed APT at the local copy of the archive on the
filesystem,
it choked since the testing->sarge symlink did not exist.  This seems
like it
would be trivial to fix to have the installer look for both. before
constructing
the sources.list.

Also, I had manually configured the network interface since I was performing
the install while not connected.  The installer automatically tried to get
security updates (without asking first) causing me to have to Ctrl-C the
process
or wait for each request to time out.  This is probably not a good thing.

The LVM configuration is confusing.  When you ask to create a new LV,
you get a
dialog which prompts you for the name.  The problem is that you cannot see
which LVs you have already created.  This is annoying.  Also, when you
are asked
to specify the size of the LV you just created, you can't see the name
of the
LV.  This also annoying.  These are not major things if you are
performing the
install rapid-fire, or if you have planned it and written everything down.
However, if you step away from the machine momentarily, it is aggravating to
have to cancel and go back one or two steps to see where you were.

If you try to put / on a LV, there is no warning about how difficult
that sort
of setup is to configure (especially with respect to future kernel
upgrades).
Perhaps the option to use a LV as / should be restricted to installations
booted in expert mode.

Going back to an installation off the network, I had previously downloaded
the various MS fonts that are downloaded by the msttcorefonts package (from
sourceforge).  I epxected to be able to tell msttcorefonts during the
configure
stage that I had already placed the files on the hard drive, but I got
no such
option.  This cause me to wait through a timeout for every sourceforge
server
that the installation script tries to get the file from.  After that the
--configure step failed.  I had to manually run update-ms-fonts and tell it
where the files were on the drive and then run dpkg --pending --configure to
complete the installation.  This is probably more suitable as a bug against
msttcorefonts (which I will file), but it is related to the installation
experience.

--
Roberto C. Sanchez
http://familiasanchez.net/~sanchezr

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> The install process is mostly newbie friendly.  One recommendation I
> would make
> is the installation of a bootsplash-enabled kernel.  (I know that the
> startup
> messages are important, but most users, especially new users, don't kno=
w or
> don't care about the messages.  It will probably also confuse some user=
s.)

AFAIK, there has been some debate around -devel about this and, as
usual, no real conclusion but rather flaming..:-)

The current consensus seems to be keeping the kernel as-is with no
fancy bootsplash things which would complicate its handling in
multi-arch environment (remember that Debian is not i386-only).

> I created my mirror of the Debian archive using the option --dist=3Dsar=
ge
> (since
> the man page recommends not using testing as it is unpredictable).  The
> problem
> is that when I pointed APT at the local copy of the archive on the
> filesystem,
> it choked since the testing->sarge symlink did not exist.  This seems
> like it
> would be trivial to fix to have the installer look for both. before
> constructing
> the sources.list.

Well, the code in apt-setup expects a fully functional mirror, so I
guess that there is very little chance that this is implemented.

> Also, I had manually configured the network interface since I was perfo=
rming
> the install while not connected.  The installer automatically tried to =
get
> security updates (without asking first) causing me to have to Ctrl-C th=
e
> process
> or wait for each request to time out.  This is probably not a good thin=
g.

This is a feature. Adding security updates is optional but the
question is asked at medium priority, so this is forced on default
installs. This is a design choice to minimize the number of questions
asked to users.

Given that this install report is a complete success report, I do as
usual with successful install report=A0: I close the bug..:-)

This does not of course mean you weren't right to report. Knowing the
installations are correct is important for the d-i team.

Many thanks for yourtime testing the Debian Installer and reporting
your results. Have fun with your new Debian system!






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