Bug#230447: marked as done (FWD: Bug#229113: Package: installation-reports)
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The following installation report was posted to debian-boot, and,
according to my records, never followed up on. I am putting it in the
BTS so it will not be lost.
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=46rom: Dustin Harriman <dustinharriman@yahoo.ca>
Date: 22 Jan 2004 19:14:08 -0800
To: submit@bugs.debian.org
Subject: Bug#229113: Package: installation-reports
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Package: installation-reports=20
Debian-installer-version: Jan 22 2004=20
http://people.debian.org/cdimage/testing/netinst/i386/beta2/sarge-i386-neti=
nst.iso
uname -a: Linux tact 2.4.22-1-386 #9 Sat Oct 14 14:30:39 EST 2003 i686=20
unknown=20
Date: Jan 19 2004=20
Method: Installed base from CD, booted from CD.=20
Machine: Toshiba Satellite 1130=20
Processor: Celeron 2.0 Ghz=20
Memory: 256 MB=20
Root Device: IDE hard drive /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/disc=20
Root Size/partition table: available upon request=20
Output of lspci:=20
00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Host Bridge (rev 01)
00:00.1 System peripheral: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 3584 (rev 01)
00:00.3 System peripheral: Intel Corp.: Unknown device 3585 (rev 01)
00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated
Graphics Device (rev 01)
00:02.1 Display controller: Intel Corp. 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics
Device (rev 01)
00:1d.0 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB USB (Hub #1) (rev 03)
00:1d.1 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB USB (Hub #2) (rev 03)
00:1d.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB USB (Hub #3) (rev 03)
00:1d.7 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB USB2 (rev 03)
00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801BAM/CAM PCI Bridge (rev 83)
00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801DBM LPC Interface Controller (rev
03)
00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801DBM Ultra ATA Storage Controller
(rev 03)
00:1f.3 SMBus: Intel Corp. 82801DB/DBM SMBus Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801DB AC'97 Audio
Controller (rev 03)
00:1f.6 Modem: Intel Corp. 82801DB AC'97 Modem Controller (rev 03)
02:01.0 Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd.
RTL-8139/8139C/8139C+ (rev 10)
02:04.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev
01)
02:04.1 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ6933 Cardbus Controller (rev
01)
[
Base System Installation Checklist:=20
Initial boot worked: [O]=20
Configure network HW: [O]=20
Config network: [O]=20
Detect CD: [O]=20
Load installer modules: [O]=20
Detect hard drives: [O]=20
Partition hard drives: [O]=20
Create file systems: [O]=20
Mount partitions: [O]=20
Install base system: [O]=20
Install boot loader: [O]=20
Reboot: [O]=20
[O] =3D OK, [E] =3D Error (please elaborate below), [ ] =3D didn't try it=
=20
Comments/Problems:=20
I have 5 issues...
1) When it came time to format partitions on the hard drive, there was
a possibility for confusion of novice users. Before the first screen=20
where formatting choices are offered (this screen gets looped back to),=20
there should be an informational screen saying that it's time to do some
formatting, and that one needs at least one partition, for the root=20
filesystem (recommending type ext3 for beginners), and one swap
partition (recommending it being about twice a large in size as the
amount of RAM that is available, and show calculated ram size *=20
2). Then explain a loop will be entered for formatting as many=20
partitions as needed, then choose exit to move onto the next step of=20
installation.=20
2) When it was time to get the apt sources, the cyclical nature is=20
confusing, it's not differentiated which repositories it's trying to go=20
get, eg. non-US, main, contrib, etc. So one doesn't know if it's=20
looping, getting the same info, or if one needs to keep trying so as to=20
get more sources.=20
3) I'm also disappointed that the stock kernel did not have CD burner=20
support. (ide-scsi emulation, etc)=20
4) A checklist-based list of installation activities should be
presented right from the start so the user knows what's in store and is
less confused. During the first few steps of the install, there is no
choice in steps, like choosing a hostname, etc. This lack of choice
continues up to the point where the base is to be installed. It's wierd
to be dumped out into the middle of a menu of options after that.=20
Perhaps the menu of options should be run through right from the start
to stay consistent. A checkbox showing completion could be displayed
for each step that's been completed, and/or bolding of text so users
don't get intimidated by the choices, they could go doen the choices one
by one. Also, before starting at the beginning of this menu, a screen
explaining how the menu should be done from top to bottom, perhaps
occasionally skipping items, should be presented to furtherly minimize
confusion.
5) I went through the install once, then a bit later needed to re-LILO
again, so I went through the install again from the beginning. I tried
to get to that menu where the LILO-ing is a choice as soon as possible,
but I had to go through steps I didn't want to visit, even though I
chose non-action when I could (ie. choosing "Finished" for partitioning,
etc). The steps of finding, retrieving and extracting packages
occurred, even though I opted to leave alone my root partition (after
mounting it). The install was not overwritten, however, thankfully, but
there was definately unacceptable confusion none the less. Then I was
finally presented with the menu of installation steps. When I tried to
do only the step of re-LILO-ing, it again first went through finding,
retrieving and extracting packages, even though a perfectly good install
was already there from the time before!! The packes weren't actually
installed, like before. It then reported:
! Install the base system
Base system installation error
=2E..and...
! Install the base system
Failed to install the base system
=2E..and didn't do the LILO-ing!!
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