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Re: Failing to be of help with boot floppies

Dale Scheetz <dwarf@polaris.net> writes:

> So, it's fixed in woody ;-)
> Doesn't do much for a discussion of potato...

No, 2.2.17 is for Potato -- 2.2r1 we hope.

> 1. When it fails to find a graphics card the failure is complete and the
> rest of the work should just be skipped. Instead you get a very hard to
> read screen which implies that something good happened ... sort of ... and
> the process continues as though everything were hunky dory.

I agree.  Please file an appropriate bug -- even severity Important is
called for.

> 2. Even when it succeeds at finding the card, very often the constructed
> config file is useless. I have three different machines to install on, and
> although one is pretty ancient, limited hardware, the other two are
> reasonably new machines with reasonable hardware, and I still must resort
> to some other configuration method after going through all the steps in
> the anXious config.

I don't know what we can do about that at this stage, unless, uh,
you're volunteering of course, in which case, more power to ya.

> 3. Dozens of single value entry screens make the whole thing very
> tedious. (this is true of the whole install BTW) Grouping together related
> items on one screen makes the install more reasonable.

Sure but not going to change in Potato I don't think.

> 4. Even though the X maintainer doesn't like xf86config, I would much
> rather have that tool here than anXious. I have always been able to build
> a working config with this tool, except for one case where the server
> didn't quite support my graphics card. The next release fixed that problem
> as well...

> While the decision may have been made then (by the working group) I have
> a set of CDs toasted for me by a client (I can't afford the bandwidth to
> follow these myself) which were produced by one of the developers, and
> there was no anXious involved in the second stage installation...

Even the briefest grep thru the debian/changelog file would tell the
inquiring person that this was added in boot-floppies 2.2.4, Mon, 3
Jan 2000 01:44:40 -0500.  Get your facts correct before you throw
around accusations, please.

> 2. Put all the "chatter" now present on installation screens back into
> help files, and build dialogue boxes that have some content and structure
> to them. This is specially true for the current second stage installation,
> which currently has more individual screens to go through than the base
> install.

Have you tried the 'quiet' boot argument?

> I realize that I'm an idiot about many things Debian, but one thing I've
> been involved in from the beginning, and understand in all its ugly
> details, is the installation process. My overall impression is that
> historicly the Debian install has been getting worse, not better. I don't
> think this means that we must continue in this direction, but I understand
> the momentum issues in Debian well enough to have little optimism on this
> point.

I don't see on what objective basis you can claim this.  Every 3rd
party review I've read has commented that Potato installation is much
smoother for most than the Slink installer.

.....Adam Di Carlo....adam@onShore.com.....<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>

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