Its worse than I thought. Removing pcmcia-modules-* packages while testing the flavors actually removed cardmgr and friends. It has a totally messed up list of files in the pkg. Removing pcmcia-modules-2.2.14-idepci, in this case, actually got rid of cardmgr and friends. -- .....Adam Di Carlo....adam@onShore.com.....<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>