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Bug#34074: marked as done (xdm login loop failure has happend to a newbie )

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To: Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@debian.org>
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Subject: Re: xdm login loop failure has happend to a newbie 
From: Adam Di Carlo <adam@onshore.com>
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Package: boot-floppies
Version: 2.1.8
Severity: important

>>>>> "Stephane" == Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@debian.org> writes:
Stephane> On Tuesday 2 March 1999, at 10 h 2, the keyboard of Adam Di
Stephane> Carlo <aph@debian.org> wrote:
>> Will you be able to remove xbase/xdm from the profiles?  I would
>> like to get that in 2.1.9...

Stephane> Ooops, this would be a real change! Any formal bug against
Stephane> this problem?  Removing xdm certainly breaks the system as
Stephane> far as many users are concerned.

Huh?  We're talking about installs from scratch here, not upgrades.
>From words written by the X11 maintainer for Debian:

     `xbase' is now an effectively empty package that exists only to have
     the package management system automatically "pull in" the new packages
     (and the latest versions of the X libraries). Once it has been
     upgraded, it may be safely removed.

Since we're not upgrading it, we should never install it in the first

Stephane> (xdm was there in hamm and there was no bug report against
Stephane> this problem.)

Xdm was in hamm because it had to be.

Users are going to experience many many problems installing xdm on
their machine.  It is setup to start automatically (when there's a
valid parsable XF86Config file, I believe).  This can lead to the
notorious "infinite X11 reset loop" which is very very frustrating,
confusing, and infuriating for users.

The fact is that newbie users shouldn't be pulling in xdm on thier
machines.  I know it's late to change this but I do think it's
important.  I don't care, you could just remove xbase, then add back
all the packages that it depends on:

     The new packages in the Debian XFree86 distribution are `rstart',
     `rstartd', `twm', `xbase-clients', `xdm', `xfree86-common', `xfs',
     `xmh', `xproxy', `xserver-common', `xsm', and `xterm'.

*minus* xdm. While you're at it, xmh isn't very useful to most poeple

Is it at all possible to fix this for 2.1.9 ?

.....Adam Di Carlo....adam@onShore.com.....<URL:http://www.onShore.com/>

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