Re: Presentation + A debian-based for audio creation and production, stage technics and video blend (or "the future of TangoStudio")
Le 11/11/2012 18:55, Paul Wise a écrit :
On Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:14 PM, Aurelien wrote:
To end up, we're currently listing all the features that were in
TangoStudio and that appear to us as "essentials" for that type of
audio/lights/video specialised users. The list is not complete by now,
but clearly, it has to deal with:
- having realtime property, priorities, memlock, open file numbers and
so on preconfigured,
We have RT kernels in wheezy and later:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/linux-image-3.2.0-4-rt-amd64
Yes, of course, I already use them. It was just a features list.
RealtimeKit is in Debian:
http://packages.debian.org/sid/rtkit
OK, nice.
Dunno about the other stuff.
- avoiding pulseaudio by default
Just ensure that the blend metapackage(s) don't depend on it.
Maybe it might even have a conflict with pulseaudio, no?
- having several packages not in debian yet (Non quadrilogy, Tapeutape,
Tranches, Q Light Controller...), and maybe having an experimental
branch for bleeding-edge softwares to be tested ; also having several
packages compiled with different options from Debian official (this
might be discussed)
Some links to info about getting software into Debian:
http://mentors.debian.net/intro-maintainers
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/packaging-tutorial/packaging-tutorial
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/developers-reference/
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianMultimedia/Sponsoring
Thanks. I've already read all of this, and I've to precise I often build
my own packages of Debian software, so that my "distribution" are easier
to maintain.
adi helped me much in that way, btw.
We have an official suite for experimental stuff:
http://wiki.debian.org/DebianExperimental
Yep, often used, also, especially concerning jackd and ffado things with
adi.
Not sure what you mean by "different options", could you explain more?
In any case, anything that is not in the archive can't be a "Debian
Pure Blend", then it becomes a Debian derivative.
OK. As I told you on IRC, that's a point that wasn't really clear for me
by reading the docs about blends.
- a (graphical) installer with more options/questions than it has by now
(like what GUIs do you want: XFCE, LXDE, TouchScreen GUI, none, or
again what softwares pack should be installed at installation time:
audio production, audio for live, video, base-system, and so on),
Debian has an installer that has both console and graphical interfaces
(both are front-ends to the same thing). Integrating Debian Pure
Blends into the Debian Installer is something that should have
happened a long time ago but it doesn't seem like anyone has bothered
to work on that yet.
Is it linked to that problem about tasksel and having the whole package
available on the first disc?
- a selection of preconfigured WM from the Light-Gnome that TangoStudio
had, to a very light Openbox, without forgetting that touchscreen
thing which is more and more used in live conditions (sound guys often
can't make the difference between an OS and the WM they use)
Different WMs are going to be useful in different situations and
everyone has their own preference, best leave that choice to the
person installing the system.
I agree and don't agree. Let me explain.
On one hand, many people do not understand that separation between an OS
and its graphical representation. That's why many people, in the focus
of audio-production, live-shows, and others, are just scared when
speaking about Debian, because they think they're going to lose their
Ubuntu Studio's Gnome, or whatever.
I could make an again worse example when speaking about Mac / MS users
(as a reminder, I work as a teacher about the use of GNU/Linux for
sound/lights technicians).
One thing really cool on TangoStudio (the thing that made me chose this
solution upon others for my students) is that it has, by default, a
Gnome version really user-friendly, and still really light-wieghted,
something close to XFCE / LXDE in terms of ressource eating.
So, I think this might be a good thing that this blend come with WM, at
least for non-expert users (I've seen it's not managed really by now, as
it's users groups that are used).
Typically I would see it that way: during the installation you might
chose between:
- no WM (expert user)
- let me chose and manage my WM my way
- LXDE / XFCE (light-weighted WM - recommended)
- Openbox (highly configurable WM - expert user)
- Gnome 3 (touchscreen oriented WM)
(for example)
I fully agree with the fact that WM has not much to deal with audio
production, live shows, and so on. But, it's a fact (imo ;) ), WM, and
actually the look and feel of a blend/distribution weights a lot in an
end-user choice, especially in that audioproduction world in which Apple
is strongly installed and users are used to touchy interfaces!
and first of all, this "blend" or "distribution" or "Debian Custom"
should be packed as iso files, so that anyone might install it easily
(as TangoStudio did).
There are zero specialised Debian Pure Blends creating iso images
(live or installer) that are distributed on the official Debian
infrastructure, the only blends doing that are the generic
GNOME/KDE/Xfce/LXDE desktop blends and the standard/rescue images.
Really? I thought there was some (like SkoleLinux / DebianEDU), as it's
descibed in the docs:
http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends/ch-technology.en.html#s-simple-cdd
http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends/ch-todo.en.html#s-visibility
http://blends.alioth.debian.org/blends/ch-todo.en.html#s-liveCD
@ Hermanr: concerning your question about video:
"What kind of video work would be within the scope of your proposed
"blend"?"
I would say:
- video production (like in UbuntuStudio or AV/Linux)
- video for live shows (VJ-ing, live-compositing, realtime 3D modelling,
realtime stopmotion, virtual lights generation, and so on).
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