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Re: Bug#311188: Draft proposal for handling configuration file manipulations in Debian blends



Hi Andreas, hi Jonas, hi all,

thanks for the reply!!!

On Fr 27 Jan 2012 11:44:02 CET Andreas Tille wrote:

On Thu, Jan 26, 2012 at 04:27:40PM +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:

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I also would like to add the following:  Mike's suggestion needs some
dpkg/apt/whatever coding first.  It does not help to make good
suggestions if you will not come up with patches which you tested for
some time and than make the maintainers of this core functionality
accepting these patches.  This is not an easy job and according to my
experience this takes ages.

I am aware of this. Before starting to code comes enrolling people, discussing possibilities, listening to what's already there, listening to other people's ideas, etc. It does not really make sense to start coding into the dark and finding out that it is not at all the way to go.

I'm comparing with how long it took to make
apt aware about description translations - and translations is a feature
about 50% of all Debian users might really *want*.  Unfortunately we
need to realise that Blends is - like it or not - a quite unknown topic
in the Debian universe even if I try my best to talk about it at any
DebConf and other events.  I like to quote Peter Eisentraut:  "You are
talking about something which does not exist."  Well, it is not that
drastical, but changing the Debian infrastructure on behalf of the needs
of Blends is at current state not realistic.

ACK.

However, if we are talking about #311188 I think what we could try to
approach is making config issues of Blends RC critical and thus making
the bugs we filed against those packages RC critical which in turn would
enable us NMUing packages of maintainers which are not willing to help
us otherwise.  I know that's also not very nice but would solve the
problem we are facing and is way more realistic to be solved until June
(suggested freeze time).

:-) /me likes this... However, I am rather not thinking about wheezy, this is a short period. For wheezy the Debian Edu goal has to be to release D-E wheezy with the first or second point release of D-E wheezy. Apart from that I hear voices that want to change over to using Git for D-E development (I am one of that voices).

I am pretty sure that anyone interested in blending would be excited if
you invent/refine needed mechanisms for above two needs.  ...if done
Policy compliant - which does *not* mean weaken Policy but (understand
reasons for and) obey Policy.

I am less sure that anyone else will volunteer to do the work for you,
if that's what you are asking.  Personally I would not, because I cannot
imagine such work bear fruit - i.e. become Debian Policy compliant.

Perfectly correct.  You just will not manage to convince somebody else
to do the work for you.  That's why I would suggest to find a way were
you can do the work yourself more easy (just do an NMU).

Should we not address this approach (blend bugs = RC critical bugs -> make NMUing possible) on debian-devel ML?

Thanks+Greets,
Mike


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