Re: Why does apt-get upgrade want to remove half of my packages?
James, I understand your advice, thank you - but this is super-tedious
and near-to-unusable in practice:
I just do not know which packages have a newer version in bpo and I
can not allow to take the time to check for each and every package
that is installed on my system if there might be a bpo replacement to
manually install it then. I just want to have new packages for a
stable distro. How would you handle that?
I tried to pin bpo with apt preferences like this:
Package: *
Pin: release a=stretch-backports
Pin-Priority: 800
It first works fine, but then it leads to the same problem I have right now.
Also I really would like to learn something about debian package
management, so please allow me to ask:
* why should I install specific backports instead of all that are available?
* why should I not upgrade or dist-upgrade with -t stretch-backports?
* is it good / bad practice to pin backports packages like in the
config example above? Why / why not?
These questions, btw, would be great to have asnwered in the FAQ -
indeed I was looking for answers to them there.
It would be great to have that explained by someone with a passion for
teaching ;)
Seriously, I have the Debian apt reference material open in browser
tabs but I am not able to understand / debug this situation to help
myself, what I am usually able to do.
However I became suspicious that some package might have wrong
dependencies definitions - it would be fantastic if an experienced
packager would like to take advantage of this situation that is easily
reproducable for every bpo user right now to explain how to analyse
and debug that - what are you looking at, which paths are you
following, which tools are you using?
If I finally learn something more about Debian package building I will
be happy that this problem turned into something useful.
Thanks for your attention!
PS: BTW I am trying to use the gmail web gui, what is an extraordinary
terrible experience - unbelievable that this is the outcome of so many
years of work of one of the biggest... ah, comeon... forget
it...sigh... - please excuse any unexpected character noise. I will
switch over to thunderbird as soon as I know why apt wants to remove
it...
On Tue, May 8, 2018 at 1:28 AM, James Lu <james@overdrivenetworks.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Per https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/#index1h2, you should be
> installing specific backports instead of all that are available.
> Specifically, this means you should run apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade
> without "-t stretch-backports".
>
> Likely what's happening is that apt installs some library backports
> which are incompatible with its stable version, causing packages
> depending on them to be removed.
>
> Best,
> James
>
> On 2018-05-07 04:21 PM, John Smith wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I am on a fairly pure debian stretch xfce desktop, I added the
>> backports repo and because I just want to have all the upgraded
>> packages, so I did
>>
>> apt-get -t stretch-backports upgrade && apt-get -t stretch-backports
>> dist-upgrade
>>
>> some days ago (after putting backports repo into /etc/apt/sources.list).
>>
>> Until now that caused no problem and helped me to make the nvidia
>> hardware actually work with the driver version in backports, also I
>> like the 4.15 kernel very much as it seems to make the desktop
>> experience much smoother. So everything ok and a great system overall.
>>
>> However, today I just wanted to upgrade the same way (no special
>> reason, just routine upgrade) and apt-get wants to autoremove half of
>> the system and remove some important things - why?
>>
>> I paste the output of the command below - it would be really
>> appreciated if anybody would like to explain
>> * why that happens
>> * what went wrong
>> * how to fix that.
>>
>> cat /etc/apt/sources.list
>> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
>> deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stretch main contrib non-free
>> deb http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates main
>> contrib non-free
>> deb-src http://security.debian.org/debian-security stretch/updates
>> main contrib non-free
>> # stretch-updates, previously known as 'volatile'
>> deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
>> deb-src http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stretch-updates main contrib non-free
>> # backports
>> deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian stretch-backports main contrib non-free
>>
>> Thank you very much for your attention!
>> John
>>
>> root@stretch:~# apt-get -t stretch-backports dist-upgrade
>> Reading package lists... Done
>> Building dependency tree
>> Reading state information... Done
>> Calculating upgrade... Done
>> The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required:
>> ant ant-optional bbswitch-dkms ca-certificates-java coinor-libcbc3
>> coinor-libcgl1 coinor-libclp1 coinor-libcoinmp1v5
>> coinor-libcoinutils3v5 coinor-libosi1v5 cups-client cups-pk-helper
>> default-jre-headless enchant espeak-ng-data evince-gtk exfalso
>> exfat-fuse exfat-utils firebird3.0-common firebird3.0-common-doc
>> firebird3.0-server-core fonts-crosextra-caladea
>> fonts-crosextra-carlito fonts-dejavu fonts-dejavu-extra
>> fonts-font-awesome fonts-freefont-ttf fonts-liberation2
>> fonts-linuxlibertine fonts-noto-hinted fonts-opensymbol
>> fonts-sil-gentium
>> fonts-sil-gentium-basic freepats gcj-6-jre-lib gdisk
>> geany-plugin-addons geany-plugin-autoclose geany-plugin-automark
>> geany-plugin-codenav geany-plugin-commander geany-plugin-ctags
>> geany-plugin-debugger geany-plugin-defineformat geany-plugin-doc
>> geany-plugin-extrasel geany-plugin-gendoc geany-plugin-geniuspaste
>> geany-plugin-git-changebar geany-plugin-insertnum
>> geany-plugin-latex geany-plugin-lineoperations geany-plugin-lipsum
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>> gir1.2-gstreamer-1.0 gir1.2-gtksource-3.0
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>> gir1.2-soup-2.4 gir1.2-sugarext-1.0 gir1.2-wnck-3.0 gnome-orca
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>> libcommons-codec-java libcommons-collections3-java
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>> libdouble-conversion1 libdv4 libdvbpsi10 libdvdnav4
>> libdvdread4 libe-book-0.1-1 libebml4v5 libehcache-java
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>> libfftw3-double3 libflite1 libfluidsynth1 libflute-java
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>> libtommath1 libtxc-dxtn-s2tc libudisks2-0
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>> libvcdinfo0 libvisio-0.1-1 libvlc-bin libvlc5 libvlccore8
>> libvo-aacenc0 libvo-amrwbenc0 libvulkan1 libwacom-bin
>> libwacom-common libwacom2 libwayland-server0 libwbclient0
>> libwebpdemux2 libwildmidi-config libwildmidi2 libwnck-3-0
>> libwnck-3-common libwpd-0.10-10 libwpg-0.3-3 libxatracker2
>> libxcb-icccm4 libxcb-image0 libxcb-keysyms1 libxcb-randr0
>> libxcb-render-util0 libxcb-shape0 libxcb-xinerama0 libxcb-xkb1
>> libxcb-xv0 libxerces2-java libxfont2 libxkbcommon-x11-0
>> libxml-commons-external-java libxml-commons-resolver1.1-java
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>> usb-modeswitch
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>> xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-scalable xinit xsane
>> xsane-common xserver-common xserver-xorg-legacy
>> Use 'apt autoremove' to remove them.
>> The following packages will be REMOVED:
>> bumblebee bumblebee-nvidia chromium default-java-plugin default-jre
>> geany-plugin-devhelp geany-plugin-markdown geany-plugin-webhelper
>> geany-plugins gir1.2-webkit2-4.0
>> gstreamer1.0-plugins-bad gvfs gvfs-daemons icedtea-8-plugin
>> icedtea-netx keepassxc libatk-wrapper-java libatk-wrapper-java-jni
>> libegl1-glvnd-nvidia libegl1-mesa libgl1-glvnd-nvidia-glx
>> libgl1-mesa-glx libgles1-mesa libgles2-mesa libglx0-glvnd-nvidia
>> libgstreamer-plugins-bad1.0-0 libgtk-3-bin libqt5gui5 libqt5svg5
>> libqt5widgets5 libqt5x11extras5 libreoffice-nlpsolver
>> libreoffice-script-provider-bsh libreoffice-script-provider-js
>> libreoffice-sdbc-hsqldb libreoffice-wiki-publisher
>> libwebkit2gtk-4.0-37 libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 lightning nvidia-driver
>> openjdk-8-jre primus primus-libs qt5-gtk-platformtheme
>> sugar-browse-activity task-desktop task-xfce-desktop thunderbird vlc
>> vlc-plugin-qt vlc-plugin-skins2 vlc-plugin-video-output
>> x11-utils xorg xserver-xorg xserver-xorg-core xserver-xorg-input-all
>> xserver-xorg-input-libinput xserver-xorg-input-wacom
>> xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-video-amdgpu
>> xserver-xorg-video-ati xserver-xorg-video-fbdev
>> xserver-xorg-video-intel xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
>> xserver-xorg-video-nvidia xserver-xorg-video-qxl
>> xserver-xorg-video-radeon
>> xserver-xorg-video-vesa xserver-xorg-video-vmware
>> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>> libegl1 libgl1 libglx-mesa0 libglx0 libllvm5.0
>> The following packages will be upgraded:
>> libgbm1 libgl1-mesa-dri libglapi-mesa libwayland-egl1-mesa
>> libwxbase3.0-0v5 libwxgtk3.0-0v5 libxatracker2 mesa-va-drivers
>> mesa-vdpau-drivers
>> 9 upgraded, 5 newly installed, 70 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
>> Need to get 30.4 MB of archives.
>> After this operation, 375 MB disk space will be freed.
>> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
>>
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