Re: Thunar 1.6.15
I'm sorry to bother you guys. Here is an answer from the XFCE maintainers list.
It seems this is not a request for backport.
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On Tue, 2018-05-22 at 17:39 -0300, Kolmar Kafran wrote:
> I sent to the backport list a request for the backport of Thunar
> 1.6.15 to debian stable.
Hi Kolmer, thanks for reaching us.
Could you please coordinate that with us before sending a mail to backports
the next time? Package maintenance is more than just backports, and the right
list for that is this one, not backports. I'm not subscribed to the backports
list so I didn't receive your mail and it makes it hard for me to tell people
there not to bother with it. Can you do that please?
> But I would like to ask for you guys if
> Thunar 1.6.15 shouldn't come to stretch-updates.
> As XFCE is preparing for the 4.14 version on GTK, the Thunar code
> received a lot of attention lately. The version on Stable has a lot of
> bugs that were corrected since then. The Thunar 1.6.15 is pretty
> stable right now and all know bugs seems to be fixed. So, should it
> come to Debian Stable through stretch-updates or stretch-backport ?
I didn't look at it, but my feeling on this is:
- - I don't think any of the bugs are release critical right now; if there are,
can you identify them and raise their severity?
- - The diff between 1.6.11-1 and 1.6.15-1 is likely to be huge, and I'm not
really sure it will qualify for stable updates.
>
> Sorry for this kind of question. I'm pretty new to Debian. As Ubuntu
> 18.04 is pretty buggy, I'm migrating from Ubuntu to Debian. I'm an
> XFCE user for a long time and what made me upgrade my system was
> exactly these Thunar bugs, which were present on Ubuntu 16.04 and Mint
> 18.3 as well. I'm using Debian Gnome right now hopping to find my way
> for a XFCE Thunar bug free environment.
Start by identifying specific bugs and fixes, and compare that to what's in
1.6.15 and the potential for regressions in stable.
Regards,
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Yves-Alexis
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2018-05-23 14:33 GMT-03:00 Sean Whitton <spwhitton@spwhitton.name>:
> Hello,
>
> On Wed, May 23 2018, Holger Levsen wrote:
>
>> On Wed, May 23, 2018 at 10:16:40AM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>>> Just to expand a little, in a way that might be easire to remember:
>>> backports is for *new features*, proposed-updates is for *bug fixes*.
>>
>> well, while this is true it's also true that often bugs are only fixed
>> in new versions, thus often users want new versions not because of the
>> features but because of the bugfixes.
Yep, I agree. I'm suffering a lot to find a linux distro that just
works to install and forget about it for a while (preferable for 3 to
5 years) and just do my work. I lost the last week trying almost all
debian based distros out there released on 2017/2018 and I still
doesn't found my way. Every single time something is missing. Gnome is
the DE which is better handling the new technologies (wayland,
libinput, modesetting drivers, opengl, etc), but it took a big fail UX
design and it just doesn't feels right. Ubuntu 18.04 is buggy, Debian
Stable with Gnome 3.22 is weird. KDE 5.8/5.12 feels buggy, also I just
don't understand KDE, its "too much" and things doesn't seems to
integrate well. The latest release of XFCE is getting weird with GTK3
and gnome apps being, weel, for gnome only. Also XFCE doesn't seems to
care about UX, there are 4 panel plugin to do the same thing:
notification area and indicator. It can't even handle sound/media keys
right or libinput touchpad. All these Thunar bugs prior to 1.6.15,
etc. After 10 years uninterruptedly on linux I'm seriously thinking
about to migrate to Windows 10, I just can't loose these lifetime
trying to fix things anymore =/. This is a little offtopic, but linux
is getting harder and harder for a desktop user.
> Indeed. But one is not permitted to prepare a backport for this reason.
> It's a desired but unintended sid effect.
>
> --
> Sean Whitton
>
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