Re: [php-maint] Backport requirements exception for some packages (php5)
On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> Hi Alexander,
>
> On Mon, Dec 16, 2013, at 14:14, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > On Mon, 16 Dec 2013, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Alexander,
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2013, at 13:42, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> > > > At the moment, I don't think we will accept it. Providing PHP in backports
> > > > was always troublesome, as a lot of applications just stop to work with
> > > > newer versions.
> > >
> > > Care to provide the evidence? AFAIK we never had a PHP in backports. I
> > > would agree with you it this request came from some third party, but
> > > here you have PHP packages provided and supported by the PHP Debian
> > > team.
> > php5.5 will make several php based applications incompatible to the php
> > in bpo, wont't it?
>
> We are not going to backport php5 5.5.x, just php4 5.4.x.
>
> > > > And especially in that case it is a problem. If we want to keep
> > > > with the 5.4.x upload currently sitting in NEW we will end with an
> > > > unsupported branch (testing already has 5.5.x), which is imho not
> > > > acceptable.
> > >
> > > Why? The upstream release process aims to keep the compatibility in the
> > > 5.4.x branch and the Debian packagers are willing to support the 5.4.x
> > > branch in the backports. Also the external services (dotdeb.org for
> > > Debian, my PPAs for Ubuntu) proves that people are hungry to have latest
> > > PHP running and I don't really see a reason why we can't provide that
> > > from within the Debian infrastructure.
> > And? backports come from testing. And you plan to support php5.4.x from
> > testing for all the time?
>
> That rule comes from the fact that we need straight upgrade path, right?
>
> So this is not going to be a problem since jessie will have php5 >=
> 5.5.0 and
> wheezy-backports will always have php5 << 5.5.0, e.g. 5.4.x.
Nope, this comes from the rule that software has to be in testing before it
gets uploaded to backports. This rule ensures that package gets at least a
minimum testing before it goes to backports.
And we don't plan to lift that rule.
>
> The whole motivation comes from the fact that people want new stable PHP
> versions, but we don't want to go the python way (we don't have enough
> manpower and we also like our sanity), so this is the best compromise we
> could get.
>
> We have started to update stable versions with non-security bugs since
> wheezy and it was much appreciated, but we are unable to cherry-pick
> everything, so the scenarios where:
>
> wheezy-updates has 5.4.4 with security and serious patches
> wheezy-backports has 5.4.latest
> jessies/testing/unstable has 5.5.latest
>
> is the most sane and most beneficial way how to support PHP in Debian
> while not breaking anything.
But not within backports.
Alex
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