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Re: complaints about systemd

I will weigh in.

In the FOSS world - I could care less what people decide to code up and run. If you like it, go for it. Scratch that itch and share your code.

I liked the look of systemd early on, but this was in comparison to upstart. Debian's dash based init scripts always struck me as well thought out and robust.

For people with energy and inclination to radically change things, might I suggest two areas far more important than merging everything with init:

1. proper use of cpu rings
2. unified hardware raid interfaces and corresponding cli tools

Ok perhaps #2 isnt widely impacting. But OpenBSD has done it, i am still baffled that Linux is such a mess.


On 2014-10-09 07:25, Ray Andrews wrote:
On 10/08/2014 12:39 PM, ael wrote:
On Wed, Oct 08, 2014 at 03:32:58PM +0200, Michael wrote:
The new system reduces some complexity on one side while introducing much more on the other.
The whole design so far as I can see lacks the simplicity and
transparency that the greatest minds in computer science advocate.

That seems to be confirmed in that systemd is more or less permanently
broken, ...
I don't  know enough to weigh in on this, but I spent the morning
researching the subject and it does seem like this is no small issue.
I myself am deeply troubled by what I read, it seems that cleverness
has replaced level-headedness, wiz-bang technology has replaced
simplicity and transparency, and featureitis has replaced stability.
I hope this gets sorted out.  Me, I want my computer to boot reliably,
and I wouldn't care even if it did take 2 seconds longer, and I want
to be able to understand and even edit how it works.  But that's just

at least on all my machines. It takes *far longer* to boot up
and particularly shutdown than ever the old init system did.
I have given up even thinking about bug reporting it: what do I say?
Where are the logs that throw any light on the system problems?
Which bug do I report when it changes from day to day?

I suspect that many others are in a similar situation, so that the bug
tracking doesn't reflect the real situation.

All of that said, some of the underlying design ideas are good, but
particulary concurrent systems need that simplicity and transparency, and
the technology to do it exists if little used.


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