Re: Broken applications: Could we be honest?
On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 03:11:19PM -0700, ldoolitt@recycle.lbl.gov wrote:
> Art Edwards wrote:
> > This brought up the question, who uses 64 bit Linux anyway?
>
> Well, me, and that's all I really care about.
>
> > It can't be the desktop
> > community, seeing that the standard office tool doesn't really
> > work for 64-bit.
>
> TeX works perfectly for me. 1/2 :-)
>
> > Besides the instruction set, which
> > can probably give some speed, but wouldn't justify the cost,
>
> Before I bought my machine (18 months ago, now) I benchmarked it
> on the code that I use. It was 10 times faster than my old 500 MHz
> Pentium-III, and 30% faster than an equivalently available/priced
> new Pentium-IV.
How did it compare to an AMD XP? How much are you paying for the increase in speed?
FLOPS/dollar(euro) are what drive my decisions. The 500 MHz box would not be a
fair comparison.
>
> > Unless such core pieces as the debugging tool (ddd) and the data display
> > tool (xmgrace) are working, it is dishonest to pretend that the 64-bit
> > version is ready for testing.
>
> Your core pieces are not my core pieces. When I got started on
> this machine, I did indeed find a few hiccups. I debugged them,
> turned in patches, and now they work fine for everyone.
> I humbly suggest that you roll up your sleeves, and make your
> core tools work. I think you will find this community is
> helpful, capable, and knowledgeable.
>
I could spend my time rolling up my sleaves (fortune knows I've done that many
times) or I could do what I'm paid to do, physics. I'm willing to stay in
the stable sand box to do that. There simply is no stable sandbox for AMD64.
> > It would be very nice if you, and other distro's, were to put
> > appropriate caveats on the websites, saying that 64-bit is really
> > not ready for the prime-time desktop.
>
> Go to bugs.debian.com, punch in the packages that you find essential,
> and see if any of them have RC bugs. It's even easier now than
> it used to be, since bugs on amd64 are now considered RC.
> I don't know of any distribution that considers amd64 unimportant.
>
> - Larry
>
>
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