having just installed fedora *shudder* in my quest to make my 3d card work, can i suggest that for newer nvidia cards that the 'vesa' driver be used not the 'nv'. the 'nv' turning my computer into a jibbering mess. this is with a 6600gt, i presume newer cards will have similar problems. ive since hacked around fedora and got it working... which has reminded me why i use debian. but anyway, tell that to nvidia support monkeys. Dean