Le 08/11/2019 à 01:21, thomasw@fastmail.cn a écrit :
Hi,
> I guess the issue seems to be that patches are being created for what upstream thinks is a broken system in some ways and it sounds like things like keyboard snooping could cause problems in the future. I honestly don't know enough to understand whether its broken from a design standpoint, however, it at least lets me use the computer.
Sure. But the current implementation is hard to maintain by the technical guys. Hence their request for change.
Sorry for the comparison but they do as Italy with immigration: they handle an European problem, but others do not move as they continuously support it. One day, they say "stop", others say "oh no", and a discussion starts. GTK devs try this, they create a kind of "shock" to make the community move. But with dialog, we will be able to work together, otherwise there are other possible toolkits with the same result if work is done.
I am not a skilled enough developer to understand all this yet but I rely on accessibility software for my job. I guess I would just like as honest as an answer as possible. If people think accessibility is going to be removed or key parts of the needed infrastructure, I see no other option than to buy a Mac now so that I can continue to operate the computer in the future. I did notice some comments that proposed removing ATK entirely which obviously would leave me dead in the water.. Ultimately, if the end is approaching, I would like to purchase a Mac as soon as possible since I will have to relearn the computer and a new screen reader (VoiceOver and would like as smooth a transition as possible.
Guys, in free software and in Debian, we live in do-cracy. It means that when you are worry with a situation, get involved. How? Replying to bugs showing you exist and how it is a problem in your usage, eventually testing (packages from Sid, nightly releases, etc). If you use free software as simple consumers and say "bye it will not work", it is a ethical failure in the free software project. This philosophy is only possible if we get involved, at least writing "oh we exist, we do this, we need this!"
3 examples:1. Thunderbird: see release 60 first edition: a lot of accessibility bugs. Then, 68 release: most are fixed. Why? Alex and I test nightly, report bugs, discuss with devs from ausage point of view (and not technical). They like our contrib, hence we win some debates for a better user experience. 2. Firefox: they enable a Reader View notification at each new page in Nightly. If we do not test, it will go to next release and the user experience will be horrible. We get involved in the bug, fixed, the notification is just an option 3. GTK: if you read the bug logs you mention, you see that they think no one use Orca. Even if they are told the opposite, they do not realize how and what usages. At the beginning, it was "no". Now, it is "let's do a hackfest, let's meet". Without reaction from Hypra guys and Samuel, things would have gone and been broken.
So instead of thinking of leaving free software for Apple, where, as it is a unique stack, nothing says they wil stay accessible in 10 years if they decide it is no longer a business opportunity (see Microsoft from 2004 until 2016), show we exist!
Regards
I love using free software and hope to continue doing so, however, I ultimately have to do what is necessary to keep my job so I can support myself. Thanks for any information and i hope those here can understand my concerns and honestly just not knowing what to do based on not having the technical knowledge to understand entirely what is happening in the different upstream packages.