Re: Design: next steps
My view:
On Thu, Aug 20, 2015 at 11:45 AM, martin f krafft <madduck@debian.org> wrote:
> also sprach Tammy Manning <mungojoed@gmail.com> [2015-08-20 11:14 +0200]:
>> I would love to help, and was "all guns ahoy" but there was
>> a dispute at our team meeting of everyone wanting to be involved
>> and all submit ideas (the brochure being included in this), as
>> time is limited it was thought to be dedicated to this and make
>> something visually appealing and content driven, however from our
>> previous meeting I don't really know how to go forward without
>> stepping on toes.
>
> Unfortunately, I was not there, but I heard about the dispute.
>
> Our task now — and many times to come in the next months — is to
> produce a result by a specific time, and which works for everyone.
> IMHO, the only way to do this is to leave Tammi & Bernelle in charge
> and to trust them to do their best to incorporate the wishes and
> concerns of the rest of the team.
>
> The result won't reflect everyone's preferences, but it would never,
> no matter which process we use to arrive at a logo/design. But
> a logo that everyone at least accepts is better than no logo. (I
> wanted a different logo for DC15…)
>
> I understand that the process around design/logo has been a bit
> intransparent, as Bernelle & Tammi just got on it and did stuff.
>
> On the one hand, we need to make sure to honour this and welcome
> initiatives and action like this, because this is life-support to
> DebConf orga.
>
> On the other hand, we need to ensure that the communication is
> adequate. In particular, it'd probably been better if at some point
> we explicitly discussed the logo/design process up front (explicitly
> delegating to the two), and whenever a delegate works towards or
> takes a decision, they should ensure to keep the team in the loop.
>
> But people won't keep each other in the loop if we have to be afraid
> of having our decisions and work challenged, despite a delegation
> and best efforts at communicating. So it's really chicken-egg and
> one way to break this cycle now is to forward trust to Tammy
> & Bernelle to complete the logo/design process, knowing that they'll
> do their best to take all our considerations into account.
>
> And when a decision is made, then it's everyone's responsibility to
> stand behind the decision and not reopen the books. It's a tough
> learning, but if we don't manage to do this in our team, we'll be
> facing more of the issues the rest of dc-orga is already facing.
> I.e., decision-making under time pressure in a volunteer team is
> *hard* to get right.
>
> Well, my 2¢ anyway…
>
> --
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