Re: [Debconf-video] [Debconf-discuss] [Debconf-announce] First videos are now online
On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> wrote:
> Hi Alberto,
>
> On Thu, Sep 04, 2014 at 07:45:51PM +0200, alberto fuentes wrote:
>> On Thu, Sep 4, 2014 at 4:14 AM, Steve Langasek <vorlon@debian.org> wrote:
>> > One of the things I wanted to address post-DebConf14 is to make sure the
>> > event pages in summit.debconf.org include direct links to the video
>> > recordings. Can you tell me if there's a reliable naming scheme for these
>> > files? E.g., it appears spaces are replaced by underscores, and several
>> > punctuation characters are removed. Is the filename schema available in
>> > code form?
>
>> Please, consider linking the videos via the links to amara.org
>> provided in the subs wiki [0]
>> Notice that amara does not host the files, only the subtitles... but
>> adds both a player that is able to show the subtitles and a some
>> interface to edit such subtitles
>
>> I know is ugly to link to some external website... frankly, I dont
>> know how else to do it. Amara is free software but is not packaged
>> into debian. Ill try to get some instance up for the next year... but
>> I havent looked into it yet.
>
>> For now, this will have to do.
>
> I'm not willing to link to a non-Debian resource for the videos. In the
> past, I know we've hosted the subtitles next to the videos on
> meetings-archive (e.g.,
> http://meetings-archive.debian.net/pub/debian-meetings/2013/debconf13/subtitles/).
> Surely we should do this again?
Sure, we will do this year as well too
> There's probably some work to be done to support better integration and
> discoverability of the subtitles. I'm not sure if in-browser integration is
> what we're looking for... I'm also not sure what the state of the art is for
> downloading subtitles together with video files, since I tend not to be a
> heavy user of them. If linking to a landing page that wraps the .webm+.srt
> is the best available option, then I'm ok with that, but:
>
> - it needs to be on a Debian host
This is a reasonable thing to ask
> - the page needs to include links to the raw files on meetings-archive
This is already the case. You can find the links to the original raw
video in the 'URL' tab in the video link
> - the URLs need to be *deterministic* without the use of external code
> (i.e., the current amara.org URLs include some kind of hash - hash of
> what and using what algorithm, I have no idea, but I'm not going to have
> summit trying to link to them).
My best guess is that is a hash of the name of the file
I know what you mean tho, I had to generate those URL manually... I
could had used some kind of rss, but there was none available. Not the
best way, but I still did it anyway
> BTW, this seems to be the first mention of amara on this list. Maybe you
> want to post a more targeted announcement? I see that you are part of the
> "DebConf Subtitle Team" (https://alioth.debian.org/projects/debconfsubs/) so
> presume this is the legit, agreed-upon workflow and should get more
> attention.
This would be great. I was waiting to finish the wiki completely to
call for help. I was hoping to finish it before the official video
announcement was done and piggyback on it. I just saw you moving some
video links and took the opportunity to try to plug it in somewhere
What do you think it would be best to do?
>> The subtitles will be available outside amara.org once they are
>> finished. But they are not... and will not be unless they are promoted
>> and exposed to the people interested in watching those videos in the
>> first place
>
> I like the crowdsourcing aspect, but would still need the above addressed
> before we could direct viewers through those pages.
If you look at the dates of the commits of the subs of the last year
debconf, you can get an idea of how the work and the interest decline
after the debconf passes and everybody has seen the videos they are
interested in
I was trying to make this year different on this respect... but it is
too late to make it on debian machines, and so I was expecting to
relax the rules a little.
We can sure wait to the next year to make it happen in a better way.
I am in no hurry. I am just working on the subtitles, but I am not the
one that needs them
Cheers
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