On 16/10/14 at 12:06 +0200, martin f krafft wrote: > also sprach Lucas Nussbaum <leader@debian.org> [2014-10-16 11:24 +0200]: > > > What's the difference between what you suggest and Debian just > > > committing (up to) y from the start, given that any surplus comes > > > back to Debian anyway and we won't use money from Debian to fund > > > expenses beyond the worst-case-budget? > > > > There is none, except that y = ~100k€ (in a worst case budget without > > any additional sponsors, and no professional/corporate attendees, which > > I agree is unlikely, but that's the point of a worst case budget). > > That is an amount of money that I don't think a DPL should prepare to > > spend without an understanding of how it would be going to be spent. > > And what is the amount "x" that you think Debian could allocate to > DebConf without the DPL having an understanding of how exactly it > will be spent? You are trying to frame me as willing to meddle into details of the DebConf'15 budget. I wrote "without an understanding of how it would be going to be spent". You are asking about "without the DPL having an understanding of how *exactly* it will be spent". I am annoyed by that. I don't care about how exactly you plan to spend the DebConf15 budget. There are lots of things I don't need to know details about. But do you really think that the DPL should allocate 100k€ to DebConf organization without a vague idea of how it will be spent? We currently are in a situation where we don't have to make hard choices about money. But it could be the case that allocating 100k€ to DebConf organization would prevent buying a new server for our infrastructure. How do you suggest the DPL arbitrates between those expenses, then? To answer your specific question (minus "exactly"), ideally, x = 0€. However, when on September 20th you asked for some Debian money to cover the initial costs, and said 5000€ would be comfortable, I authorized such a transfer immediately without asking for any details. So the answer is probably that 5000€ <= x < y ;) Anyway, I don't think that there's much to gain from continuing that discussion, so this is the last email from me in this thread. Looking forward to a budget to review, Lucas
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