Re: [Debconf-team] Urgent: Dishwashing & Cleaning
On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 02:37:01PM -0400, Brian Gupta wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 8, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Patty Langasek <harmoney@dodds.net> wrote:
> > On Mon, Jul 08, 2013 at 07:57:07PM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote:
> >> seriously, buy two dishwashing machines (max 1000€ total) and let them be
> >> filled by volunteers... 5k for dishwashing is like 3% of our total budget.
> >
> >
> > This was part of a long debate - unless we have enough volunteers dedicated
> > to handling this, or people who will take responsibility in the event that
> > the volunteers ... choose not to complete this task, it's unreasonable to
> > expect that this will just get done.
> >
> > What this means is that for those volunteer hours, they will be dedicating
> > an hour or so after each meal to duties that should have been (and aren't,
> > so we're trying to cover it) included with catering.
> >
> > If this is the way we're going with this, we need to have the dishwashing
> > volunteer crew staffed and ready to start with the first full meal (lunch)
> > and finish with the last dinner, and someone to be responsible in the event
> > the crew can't manage the workload.
> >
> > Front desk will not be responsible for dishwashing.
>
> My two cents. I fully agree with Patty. Although it is expensive, it
> is time consuming and requires DDs to miss important sessions, which
It's not necessarily true that attendees will miss important sessions if they
decided to volunteer on this. They will probably put their names for date/time
that they feel comfortable doing so without loosing anything important.
Socializing in a bar or doing dishes with fellow debian people doesn't make any
difference to me.
> means having people volunteer for this is counterproductive to the
> mission of the conference. Thus, if we can find a way to afford it, we
> should definitely outsource this task.
IMO it's a huge cost that we could easily avoid, so imagine a surplus of 5k,
that could bring 10+ to next DC, or could be put to good use in daytrip,
official dinner, C&W party etc in the current conference.
> That said, it does seem the hourly rates quoted seem high for the
> nature of the work, so it would probably be worth exploring lower cost
> options, but in the end, I think we really should be looking at not
> having Developers missing sessions to wash dishes.
We use to have 30+ volunteers operating cameras and doing other things that are
not related to Debian nor 'geek friendly'. It doesn't mean they miss sessions,
it's part of Debconf. If we agree that 6-7 people work x 2 hours a day worths
(saving 5k) it would be part of debconf, and I'm sure we'd perform it in a
debconf spirit, making this job even fun to play.
Btw, there're already at least 5 people ready to coordinate/volunteer on this.
Regards,
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