Re: [Debconf-team] DC12 Travel Bursaries ("Herb Team"): Ping? Discussion?
Hi Gaudenz, hi all,
Le mardi, 14 mai 2013 17.00:02, Gaudenz Steinlin a écrit :
> Didier 'OdyX' Raboud <odyx@debian.org> writes:
> > Le mardi, 14 mai 2013 12.24:49, Moray Allan a écrit :
> >> The main reason to disallow people who ask for sponsorship from being
> >> part of the team is to ensure the appearance of correctness/probity.
> >>
> >> As has been pointed out, each year we have easily enough (sufficiently
> >> knowledgeable) people who are not asking for travel sponsorship, so
> >> there is no reason to make the process look murkier by including people
> >> who ask for it on the team.
> >
> > I think _actual_ correctness matters more than the appearance of it. As
> > already mentionned, ways to ensure that include having more people on the
> > team, request that the team publishes its guidelines and processes,
> > status updates, etc. Taking people off the team is not convincingly
> > improving anything in that regard to me.
>
> I agree that actual correctness matters most. But exactly because of
> this I think we should not allow raters that themself request *travel*
> sponsorship. (…)
Thanks Gaudenz. Without dismissing the value of your arguments, I still
disagree: I really think that forbidding a significant proportion of attendees
(10-25% ?) from being part of the herb@ team is defeating the diversity goal.
It feels to me like a democracy with two classes of citizens: those not asking
for sponsorship get to have a say in how the travel sponsorship money (Debian
money) is used for a good DebConf; those who ask don't.
That said, I see little value in continuing this discussion as the expressed
consensus is obviously not supporting my view. Let's then form the herb@ team
without people asking for travel sponsorship and make sure it is empowered,
trusted and effective!
Cheers,
OdyX
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