[removing d-p from cc list] Dear Ian, I fully understand your desire for transparency. We appreciate transparency as an ideal and being the Debian Project — independent and guided by ideals — we can and should pursue it, if desirable. However, transparency is not always desirable. As I am sure you know from the outside world, some deals and transactions, correspondence and agreements need to be made behind closed doors, for efficiency purposes or other reasons. We even have some examples within our project where we willingly do without "full transparency" because we acknowledge the need (debian-private, security, some financials, etc.). In all these cases, we (and others) build on a strong foundation of trust between the members of our project and accept or even choose to set our ideals aside in pursuit of other causes and necessities. As an organisation that needs to deal quite a bit more than usual Debian with aforementioned "outside world", DebConf cannot always be as transparent as we might wish. Especially when it's about money and third parties, it is often necessary to forego transparency for bigger and better causes. I am dealing myself with potential sponsors who simply don't want to be named and chose me as their proxy. Do we want their money and respect their wishes, or do we decline? And if some people want to push a venue for whatever reason, how is that any different from e.g. the University of Helsinki or the Region of Extremadura any other venue offering us a deal? Of course, you can attach bad feelings to that, but is it really necessary? Not everything that happens is always ideal, but in the end what counts is that the conference takes place and attendees can make use of the ability to meet in person, indirectly giving the sponsors their bang for the buck through advancements in the project. I am sure that everyone of us starts to feel uneasy when transparency is given up, but in the end will walk the thin line of making the conference happen while not straying away from a responsibnle path. If we can hold our heads high afterwards, then we succeeded. I ask you and everyone else to put forth the same amount of trust towards the organisers of our conference as we do towards each other, and not to fuel suspicions about insider jobs or similar. Doing so is highly demotivating for the team (irrespective of whether it happened or not), who are dedicating even more of their time and energy than usually to bring us together in the same physical space, and allocating resources to uncover the mysteries gets us nowhere nearer to our goal. If you are unhappy with the way things are going, the only suggestion I have for you is to get actively involved the next time, and to try to achieve by yourself what these guys are doing right now. Should you find out that full transparency, which you currently advocate, isn't possible, then I won't point fingers at you. However, what you are doing currently — pointing fingers at others from the idealist's point of view — is counter-productive and outright unfair to the organisers. Please stop. -- .''`. martin f. krafft <madduck@debconf.org> : :' : ex-DebConf orga team; ex-press officer `. `'` `- DebConf13: Vaumarcus, Switzerland: http://debconf13.debconf.org "to have the reputation of possessing the most perfect social tact, talk to every woman as if you loved her, and to every man as if he bored you." -- oscar wilde
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