HST> As for why some packages explicitly depends on xaw3dg, it just HST> shows that Xaw3d and plain Xaw are not 100% compatible -- see gv, HST> for example. I'm not sure if gv is exactly *dependent* on HST> xaw3d-specific features; maybe it is. I believe that there is a problem with applications that subclass Xaw3D widgets. (In addition, Xaw3D contains the rather nice Layout widget that Xaw does not have, but gv doesn't use it.) Juliusz