Re: Debian Wiki: renaming pages
On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 15:27 -0600, Lukasz Szybalski wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 1:42 PM, Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be> wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 2009-02-21 at 18:56 +0100, rupert THURNER wrote:
> >> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 23:41, Frank Lin PIAT <fpiat@klabs.be> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Please don't use the "Include" feature for list of languages (like
> >> > EeePC/Langs).
> >>
> >> or take http://wiki.debian.org/fr/Manual-Howto where one transaltion
> >> is called "polski", pointing to a link "francais".
> >
> You've deleted :,[:pl/Manual-Howto:Polski] and added
> [:Français/Manual-Howto:Polski].
>
> I've reverted your change right now, so we are good on that page.
Thank you.
(But actually, the page doesn't exists, so we should drop the link!)
> > Linking among translated pages is really the smallest issue we have.
> > Some of our needs are:
> > 1. Migrate important (static) pages to the www.d.o, then translate them.
> > 2. Use an efficient tools that allow translators to track what was
> > changed and what translation needs to be updated (which page, which
> > paragraph => What was the previous text, whats the new text, what
> > was the old translation.. see poedit)
> > 3. Implement a mean to automatically disable a translation if it is
> > lagging too much.
> > 4. Proper (i.e automatic) content negotiation, so the best alternatives
> > is presented to the user.
> > (which would probably solve the linking issue)
> >
> > Since many (most?) pages are translated in very few languages, I would
> > rather maintain links manually, rather that having one more transition
> > to manage... while migrating to a new moin version (And trying to solve
> > the issue properly at the same time).
> >
> > Also, the [[Include()]] macros adds complexity to the wiki pages, which
> > makes it less accessible to contributors.
>
> I on the other hand believe that using include allows me to create a
> page that has more relevant content then providing links to 30 other
> pages.
> I could create a page for sys admins and include various pages and
> create one place to get all the information, just like Debian
> reference did. I could pull individual "ftp server", "ssh
> server"..etc.. Who ever would be looking for one big sys admin
> instructions could print this page. If you say that include should not
> be used then that person would have to print each section on its own.
I don't say that [Include()] shouldn't ever used, (I actually pushed to
use it in xx/WiFi pages. We might use it in the FrontPageV3).
However, in this situation, let's wait for moinmoin 1.8 and FrontPageV3
to know what we can do about translation.
Lucasz, You mean that you want to aggregate multiple pages into a single
[PDF] PDF file for offline viewing/printing, ok.
It doesn't means that there needs to be a actual wiki page with that
content (exporting selected pages to docbook, then merge them)
> I think the include feature is great and allows one person to provide
> better documentation, while allows each piece to be maintained by
> someone else. Include show be allowed and recommended on some pages.
The wiki already has a structure. If that structure is wrong, let's find
out why, then fix it.
BTW, I think that the only part which is wrong is the frontpage: It
leads visitors to believe that they would find on this wiki some
documentation that isn't and shouldn't be on the wiki.
Regards,
Franklin
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