On Thu, Apr 01, 2010 at 06:47:53AM +0200, Frans Pop wrote:
> Agreed, but would you agree that it is a core part of the role of the
> DPL/2IC, or indeed any mediator, to provide at least basic status and
> progress info to the project as a whole?
Yes, absolutely. Beside this specific case---which I'm pretty sure
everyone in the project was aware of---we should not assume that the DPL
is aware of all problems like this. The ideal course of actions IMO
should be something like: either proactively or pinged by someone the
DPL is made aware of a problem like this one, he/she tries a mediation
informing the project of the effort, keeps the project posted for a
while, if that fails we fallback to tech-ctte.
I agree with Russ comments on the matter, I think our (as a project)
main responsibility in this specific case has been letting the issue be
delayed this far. I believe that some of the year-old rants on -devel
would have been much more useful if, instead of posting there, people
would have opened an issue to the tech-ctte.
> What we've been seeing with this issue is that there has been complete
> silence for over three months. I think that a lot of the (heated) public
> discussion could have avoided if some progress/status info would have been
> provided at regular intervals. In fact, I think that a lot of the public
> discussion was as direct result of the total lack of such information.
>
> What are the thoughts of candidates on that?
I completely agree with your analysis on this.
Several of the posts I've seen on -devel were clearly caused by the
frustration of the involved people. Knowing that something was going on
and, even better, being able to *see* what was going on (as it is right
now the case with the -ctte bug log) would have saved quite same flame,
IMHO.
> Also, it has been claimed "we cannot provide any information because
> discussions are in private" [1]. Do candidates agree to that, or do they
> think that a DPL should make clear to parties in advance that the project
> will be kept informed of status and progress (but of course not of
> specifics).
>
> [1] References:
> - http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/12/msg00078.html (+ following)
My comment is in that very same thread already [2] (it is the latter of
your options).
Cheers.
[2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2009/12/msg00096.html
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