On Wed, Mar 03, 2004 at 09:37:25AM +0100, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, 3 Mar 2004, Branden Robinson wrote > > [ Sorry if I do not answer right inside the thread but the "Reply to" > links in the webform do not work as expected and I did not subscribed > to the list. Please CC me, if you want to avoid this.] > > > I'm not sure I can give you the kind of answer you're looking for. > > Why do you expect me to look for a certain answer. I just had the feeling > that some things should be discussed. According to my point of view asking > questions is no expression of critics. Okay. Some people ask questions with the aim of promoting discussion; others ask questions because they want to draw people out about specific things. I try to answer both types of questions as best I can. Sorry for any confusion. > But Debien Leadership is no concern of personal feelings but representation > to outsiders. I think it's both. A DPL who is completely indifferent to the personal feelings of those he leads is probably not going to be successful. I agree that representation to outsiders is important. I think it's important that our Constitution, and our description of our organization, be accurate; not some window dressing we throw up and which isn't the way Debian really works. > I just wanted to make sure that the future DPL is able to explain > things to outsiders the correct way. I agree. I think the most efficient way to do this is to ensure that we live up to the standards we have set for ourselves in our governing documents; and if that is not possible or we've found it to be the unwise course, we should amend those governing documents to reflect the facts. > > This is an overreaching statement. How can you know whether or not he > > accepts criticism? That he reacts to it (or not), doesn't tell you what > > he does with it internally. > There is no open archive of debian-private but I have some mails stored > in my private archive which leaded to this conclusion IMHO. I'm not sure it's fruitful to ground public conclusions (on -vote) on premises that have to remain private. If nothing else, it leaves non-Debian-Developers following our election process almost completely in the dark. Moreover, there are many Debian developers who are not subscribed to debian-private. > Again - I have no personal problem with this as long as work is done > fine - but the DPL might have to face this situation. I agree. The DPL has to be prepared to cope with grievances against delegates, or people functioning pretty much as delegates were intended to. > > You're making pretty strong statements for someone who claims to have > > not been personally mistreated by James. It's fine to be an advocate > > for people who do feel that way, but I think such advocacy needs to > > stick to objectively demonstrable facts. > I pointed the person in question to this URL in the archive. He might > comment on. I will not quote debian-private mails in public and so I > can not demonstrate here what leaded me to the statements I did. I think we should try to conduct the DPL campaign openly, and if there are certain highly-sensitive issues that can't be discussed on an open list, we're simply going to have to find a way to frame them that makes sense to outsiders, or even eligible voters who don't follow every flamewar over personnel issues closely. To that end, I suggest that it is best if we do not personalize the DPL campaign. I'm not sure it is wise or fair to use one of our membership as a symbol. > I did not want to inject real-world politics here. I know you from Oslo > and I have no need to ask about your political opinion. I just wanted > to know if the future DPL leader would have problems to travel to one or > the other country which might be a constraint to his Debian related > work. No problem; I hope my answer elucidated this point. If not, please explain its deficiencies to me and I will try again. :) -- G. Branden Robinson | Any man who does not realize that Debian GNU/Linux | he is half an animal is only half a branden@debian.org | man. http://people.debian.org/~branden/ | -- Thornton Wilder
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