I don't think the OP meant mainfraimes... I'd stick with ANSI/ISO C plus UTF-8, there are random examples and stuff on the net. If you can, post your findings, i'd be curious (living on the nonASCII part of the world) for general guidelines, do's and don't's. -- () ascii-rubanda kampajno - kontraŭ html-a retpoŝto /\ ascii ribbon campaign - against html e-mail