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Re: Sad...

On Sat, Mar 10, 2007 at 09:56:51PM +0100, Ben Humpert wrote:
> > Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2007 22:44:46 +0200> From: andreimpopescu@gmail.com> > Ben Humpert <ben_humpert@msn.com> wrote:> > > > > I'd love to use the Etch installer...if I could ever get it.> > I> > > > used the etch installer last night and it worked flawlessly. Why> > > > can't you > get it?> > > kinda hard to find :) the webmaster of debian.org should add three> > tiny links: a) get stable (sarge) here, b) get testing (etch) here,> > c) get unstable (sid) here. each link directs to the first page of> > "get debian" for each version ... very simple but perhaps to> > difficult for them...dunno> > Testing and unstable shouldn't be easy to find because they are not> meant for everyone to use. If you are advanced enough to use them you> will find them ;)
> Well, then the debian guys should fix this decades old sarge installer - OR - merge it with the etch installer; it just takes some hours to do this. sata is already established enough to support it. its a shame to direct users to testing only to get sata support and to tell that it should be "hidden" from beginners.
> > Regards,> Andrei> P.S. Does msn have a config option to not remove line breaks? (In> Outlook it's called: "Remove extra line breaks in text messages"). It> makes your replies very difficult to read.
> Its not MSN/Outlook which kills the whole layout, its your client which cant interpret the mailings correctly. if i check my outbox the mail looks like it should (with line-breaks) and you guys are the first with this problem, i guess its debilian ... errr debian, sorry :)

Let me show you what your message looks like on a plain text client
(for example). Your paragraphs are single lines, but that's not much of
a problem in the end. What is more of a problem is that your mail client
does not understand what '> ' means and when you reply to a message it
grabs the whole quoted paragraph and attempts to re-flow it. This, well,
leads to the stuff above (for eg: Why> > > > can't you > get it?> > >
kinda hard to find).

The first message you replied to looks abit like this in the nude:

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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:39:51 +0100> From: johannes@physik.blm.tu-muench=
en.de> > Freddy Freeloader wrote:> > >>>> shut ur mouth.> > > Ummm.... I do=
 have a question though. Just who, and where, are you> > referring to when =
you say, "send us the message"?> > Sorry for jumping in. I guess it's the o=
ne with the 'shut ur mouth'. I> can't find it in the thread.> > Johannes>=20
exactly that i meant. i guess he wrote directly to you Freddy so we can't s=
ee his message.=
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There's only one =20 and that's just before your reply. Everything else is
merged into the one line. The HTML component of your message, on the other
hand, looks like (more or less, I've trimmed useless stuff) like this:

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Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

...

<body>&gt; Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:39:51 +0100<BR>&gt; From: johannes@phys=
ik.blm.tu-muenchen.de<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Freddy Freeloader wrote:<BR>&gt; <BR=
>&gt; &gt;&gt;&gt;&gt; shut ur mouth.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; &gt; Ummm.... I do h=
ave a question though. Just who, and where, are you<BR>&gt; &gt; referring =
to when you say, "send us the message"?<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Sorry for jumping =
in. I guess it's the one with the 'shut ur mouth'. I<BR>&gt; can't find it =
in the thread.<BR>&gt; <BR>&gt; Johannes<BR>&gt; <BR><BR>
exactly that i meant. i guess he wrote directly to you Freddy so we can't s=
ee his message.<BR></body>
</html>=
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Here the newlines are encoded with <br>s and so anyone who views the
html component by itself will see the message as:

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> Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2007 14:39:51 +0100
> From: johannes@physik.blm.tu-muenchen.de
>
> Freddy Freeloader wrote:
>
> >>>> shut ur mouth.
>
> > Ummm.... I do have a question though. Just who, and where, are you
> > referring to when you say, "send us the message"?
>
> Sorry for jumping in. I guess it's the one with the 'shut ur mouth'. I
> can't find it in the thread.
>
> Johannes
>

exactly that i meant. i guess he wrote directly to you Freddy so we can't see
his message.
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As you can see, the formatting is right and the readability is, as a
result, also there. In short, it seems your mail client does plain-text
printed-quotable encoding really, really, really badly.

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    greatest tribute."
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