Please set your mailer/editor linewrap to 68-75 characters. I strongly recommend 72 as a good default. While many mail clients will accomodate unwrapped text: - Some don't. Be considerate. - Many more fail to wrap and attribute quotes properly. - Many web-based list archives render unwrapped text as very long lines, e.g.: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2003/debian-devel-200309/msg00568.html Thank you. on Fri, Feb 11, 2005 at 02:02:46AM -0800, Seeker5528 (firstname.lastname@example.org) wrote: > On Tue, 8 Feb 2005 18:06:25 -0800 > "Karsten M. Self" <email@example.com> wrote: > > > What WMs does Nautilus manage _not_ to fuck up? Anything other than > > metacity? If so, it should just fucking *test* the environment and > > Get The Fuck Out Of The Way[tm] if a non-metacity WM is running. > > If you disable the drawing of the desktop it does not mess up any of > the window managers. The point made was: why should the user have to do this? The application: 1. Should not be scoped to have such overlapping functionality. 2. Should autodetect when it's being used in a desktop context. > I am not too big on having to use the gconf editor to change the > setting, but I don't rant about the whole Gnome project because of it. Faults noted. Essentially: - General tools not feasible with gconf. - gconf management tools woefully undocumented (an improving situation, but it's like pulling teeth). - Inability to (readily) comment gconf settings. - GNOME / GNU aversion to manpages. > Gnome session management sucks and by extension the expectation that > window managers should be aware of gnome session mangement sucks, but > it is not that hard to run a different windowmanager with Gnome. The problem I'm alluding to is that it's very difficult to run GNOMEish apps outside the GNOME environment. > The applications are a whole seperate matter. If drag and drop or cut > and paste doesn't work between 2 applications it is a bug and reports > should be filed. My understanding here is, generally, that there's a common interface across GNOME, KDE, and other toolkits to manage snarf'n'barf & dragon droppings. This would seem to be relatively minor, all told. > I do not view KDE as better than Gnome or Gnome as better than KDE. One interesting story to note is the reasons the Knoppix project elected for KDE over GNOME: http://channels.lockergnome.com/linux/archives/20040907_why_knoppix_chose_kde.phtml > Session management is my big nitpik. With the lack of good session > management Windowmaker seems the best. No arguments there ;-) > With Windowmaker the option to save the session is right there on the > menu, but as far as I can tell it does not care if applications are > session aware or even have an option to handle session aware > applications. This also means the part that is missing is the part > that lets you have an open email client with a half written message, > and without having to save the message to the draft folder, save the > session, exit, come back in, and be back to your half written email > message. > > The part that is missing in Gnome and KDE is the part that gracefully > handles applications that are not aware of their particular brand of > session management. It's a myopia that's two-way: the environments don't play particularly well with third-party apps, and apps to some extent don't play well with third-party environments. I see far fewer issues with KDE than GNOME, however. Peace. -- Karsten M. Self <firstname.lastname@example.org> http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What Part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? Thought is free.
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