Udate: on the pop3 problem - I got a log file going. It does check /var/spool/mail as it should, but reports 0k for the user when checking. If you go to the directory, there is a mail file for the user. Any Ideas? Michael -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to debian-user-request@lists.debian.org . Trouble? e-mail to templin@bucknell.edu .