On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 11:52:41PM +0100, A Mennucc wrote:
> Pierre HABOUZIT ha scritto:
> > that bug would almost have deserved an "important" severity as every
> > Marillat packages user won't see mplayer is in debian now.
>
> hmmm
>
> when the user adds another repository to the sources.list , s/he does
> that on own responsibility. It is up to them to see that they are indeed
> installing from Debian or from another repository.
>
> At the same time , I cannot and dont want to start an epoch war with
> Marillat to decide what package has the priority. Why ? First of all,
> because it is meaningless.
> Did you really think about it? what benefit would an epoch really do ?
> suppose I bump the epoch to 2 , and upload 2:1.0~rc1-4 , so most people
> will automatically install my package; then mplayer gets into etch ;
> then in January07 etch is released ; then in April07 MPlayer releases
> 1.0-at ; so Marillat has to release 2:1.0-at ( to have it newer than
> 1:1.0-rc1 that is his current version AFAIK).... and this is again newer
> than 2:1.0~rc1-4 . So what did anybody gain by my epoch change? a 4
> months usage of the Debian package ?
wtf would christiant start an epoch war ? what I ask for is an upgrade
path for people that had the old package, that's all. If christian has a
package more recent that the one in the archive and that people wants to
use it he has two choices:
* use a more recent numbering than debian without an epoch, but a ~
scheme, so that when you package that version your package gets the
priority over his.
* or his users use an apt/preferences file.
The situation right now is different: there is a very large user base
for Christian's packages, and I feel debian should offer'em an upgrade
path, because that would just be fair.
> The right way to choose between Debian and Marillat version is to use
> APT pinning ; I will write a FAQ in the future and add an explanation to
> that (and other stuff).
I disagree, no joe user should have to pin to choose the debian
packages. only to use external sources. Dont make the thing upside down
please.
I Cc: the -release team to know what they think about that. I know
that's not critical, but I'd really like to know what people that care
about upgrade paths think about it.
> And moreover , I hate epochs :->
me too, but I don'l like the rain either :)
cheers,
> ps:
> > I know that mplayer is not "official" but if you want users to use it,
> > you'll have to ensure an upgrade path for that very common unofficial
> > package. that's the least you can do.
> I am not worried. Marillat's packages are high quality. My objective is
> not that "people would use my package instead of Marillat's" . My
> objective is that
> - people will find a convenient package of mplayer into Debian itself
> - Debian can endorse its package to be at the usual high standard of
> freeness (i.e. no patents and no license problems at the best of our
> current knowledge)
> - ) we may add other sw to Debian that uses mplayer (e.g. freevo).
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·O· Pierre Habouzit
··O madcoder@debian.org
OOO http://www.madism.org
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