Bug#243375: kdelibs-bin: menu-method freedesktop should set the Generic Name Field to longtitle instead of title
On Sat, Jul 03, 2004 at 02:01:25AM +0200, Dominique Devriese wrote:
> Bill Allombert writes:
>
> > On Mon, Apr 12, 2004 at 03:24:29PM -0500, Chris Cheney wrote:
> >> There are two real bugs here that you have touched on though.
> >> 1. Debian menu has no real concept of GenericName
>
> > Debian menu do not need to. You can use a generictitle field in menu
> > file and set up menu-methods to use it.
>
> I was going to ask whether it might not be possible to mandate the
> field in the menu policy, but after looking into the docs a bit, I
> guess I need to first ask whether it wouldn't be a good idea to
> mandate some (minimal) things the menu files need to contain ?
The documentation is clear about that:
<p> The fields <tt/needs/, <tt/section/, <tt/title/ and <tt/command/ are
mandatory. Other fields are optional. Custom fields are supported, so
you can add new fields for you own purpose.
> > You need a $generictitle, but we already have it. longtitle() do not
> > exist and generictitle() is not needed, AFAICS.
>
> This seems very unclear to me. AIUI, you mean that we "already have
> $generictitle" because the menu program and system don't need any
> changes outside of the menu files and menu methods to support the
> extra field ? AFAICS, quite some packages do have $longtitle, so I
> think that saying that it doesn't exist is a bit strange. And I don't
OK this is a bit technical...
What you need is a menu _variable_ ($foo). menu variable are created
dynamically from the menu entries, so $generictitle will exist as
soon as one menu entry provide a field generictitle="".
A menu _function_ foo() is something unrelated. We have a user-defined
title() function that let user choose between short titles and long
titles in window managers, but we do not have a longtitle() function
and I dont see what a generictitle() function would do either.
title() is defined by in menu.h by either
function title()=$title
or
function title()=ifelse($longtitle,$longtitle,$title)
depending of user choice.
> > Add to xdg-desktop-entry-spec-apps "GenericName=" $generictitle
>
> > And start to add generictitle="A Generic title" in menu files.
>
> Yeah, this is the easy part of the job. The hard part is of course
> getting apps to provide the field.
Well, yes.
> >> similiar to that. I look forward to the time when Debian will
> >> convert to the freedesktop menu standards so that the integration
> >> will be much smoother. :)
>
> > LOL
>
> Hm, I'm wondering about how serious people are taking this. I would
> personally like to see Debian move ( in the long term, like most
> Debian things ) to freedesktop menu standards, because those have a
> much higher chance of being available in third party software. This
> is of course not at all urgent, and I'm not entirely sure it would be
> worth the extra effort. What do you think about this ?
I don't think it will happen, or even that it is a good idea. Most
upstream .desktop (outside KDE or GNOME core) are made to advertise the
software rather than trying to build a consistent menu structure.
I wonder if it would not be more worthwhile to keep the Debian menu
as an 'omnibus' menu, and reserve the xdg menu for the desktop
environnement. This way, the menu would provide a more consistent desktop
experience.
Cheers,
--
Bill. <ballombe@debian.org>
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