On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 09:11:51PM +0100, Axel Beckert wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > Thomas Abthorpe wrote: > > A question has come up multiple times within the FreeBSD community, > > should we be using other project mirror sites for our distfile > > fetching? > > In general: Why not? I have started this conversation in some IRC and mailing lists, so please forgive me if I am repeating myself. I have forgotten who I have talked to along the way! A common thread amongst the groups I have engaged is quite simply, share and share alike. Their is a general feeling that we are all into opensource for a reason, and we should be able to share what we have with other groups. > > One of the answers may be: Because they're not always exactly what > comes from upstream, but repacked for a variety of reasons. Good reason > > I started a discussion about this (and was argueing basically with > what you ask for) recently on our debian-devel list, but unfortunately > there weren't many replies: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/01/msg00029.html > > I still think that one of the reasons for preferring non-repacked > upstream tarballs is that other source-based distributions can use > them from our mirror network the same way as if they download it from > upstream. > > > The reality is, from time to time, original project sites drop out of > > existence, but the usefulness of their the source code lives on. In > > some cases we are missing the original download links, and utilise the > > services of projects such as yours who might be mirroring the distfiles > > we require. The files would be found under > > ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ > > Instead of a hardcoded list you can possibly use cdn.debian.net which > should point users to a close-by mirror. If http is ok, too, there's > also another geo-locating method in use at http://http.debian.net/. > See http://wiki.debian.org/DebianGeoMirror for the details. This will be investigated, thanks for this bit of info. > > > Our list of mirror sites we use can be seen here, > > http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/cvsweb.cgi/ports/Mk/bsd.sites.mk?rev=1.558;content-type=text%2Fplain. > > You can scroll down to find DEBIAN. > > As Kurt already pointed out: Forget about non-US, it's history since a > decade or so. I replied back privately to Kurt, there is some sed-fu that strips it, but I shall take the time to update it now. > > > Finally to the point, we have just made this list of what appear to be > > official mirror sites. What I am looking for is for people to declare > > whether the mirror they maintain be included or excluded from this list. > > Speaking for ftp.ch.debian.org (which is not in the list?), I'm fine > with that. :-) So can I :) The sense I got from participants on IRC was to seek voluntarily inclusion, so, for as long as I have a certain say in matters, I will seek permission before adding a mirror, instead of just listing it. > > > Just to be clear, I am not looking for official mirroring services of > > FreeBSD related stuff, just a general acceptance that we can use your > > mirror sites for some occasional distfile retrieval. > > I really wonder why there should be any reason why we could forbid or > not allow that. It's free software after all, we all work for the same > idea and I don't suspect occasional source downloads causes remarkable > more traffic on our mirrors. While we all work for a better world in opensource, some feel if they donate resources or even money to a project, they think that only that project and it's client base should be entitled to it. Which is why I have come around to asking these questions. > > Regards, Axel > -- > ,''`. | Axel Beckert <abe@debian.org>, http://people.debian.org/~abe/ > : :' : | Debian Developer, ftp.ch.debian.org Admin > `. `' | 1024D: F067 EA27 26B9 C3FC 1486 202E C09E 1D89 9593 0EDE > `- | 4096R: 2517 B724 C5F6 CA99 5329 6E61 2FF9 CD59 6126 16B5 -- Thomas Abthorpe | FreeBSD Committer tabthorpe@FreeBSD.org | http://people.freebsd.org/~tabthorpe
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