Re: Communication channels: Please raise your opinion
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> De: "Andreas Tille" <andreas@an3as.eu>
> À: debian-med@lists.debian.org
> Envoyé: Jeudi 25 Août 2011 10:14:08
> Objet: Re: Communication channels: Please raise your opinion
> On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 09:33:36AM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote:
> > I a quite clumsy with IRC and in a distant timezone, so please go
> > ahead without
> > me for meetings.
>
> Seems like Thorsten and me might be alone ... but I try to lurk on IRC
> and we'll see who might join.
>
I will try to join, but not sure (I am on holiday and need to take care of children...)
> > It is nice to have a Debian Med blog (with the name of the poster, I
> > think that
> > is uncontroversial). I can understand that some readers of Planet
> > Debian did
> > not like Steffen's post about shopping at Amazon, but still I found
> > it
> > interseting, because the message is not only an invitation to buy,
> > but also
> > simply that Steffen is exploring how to channel unavoidable expences
> > (daily
> > products) in a way that brings money to Debian.
>
> To say shortly in public what I wrote Steffen in private: I asked him
> for a *heavy* rewrite or to kill the article at all.
>
> I agree that a report about using Amazon infrastructure for free for
> computational biology is an interesting topic and perfectly worth a
> blog
> posting. There is no question that a "thank you for this" is
> apropriate
> if we get support for the goal we are targetting as a team.
>
> However the topic became blatantly spoiled by the obvious attempt to
> drag other people into Amazon customer chartering which is TOTALLY
> (sorry for shouting) unacceptable on behalf of the Debian Med team. We
> simply can not advertise some specific company be it Amazon or
> somebody
> else and I have a very strong opinion about the links to Amazon that
> remained on the Blog page: They need to vanish as soon as possible.
>
> > Personally, I think that apologises and correction for future posts
> > were
> > enough.
>
> I perfectly accept the apology, but the part "correction" is IMHO only
> half done (remaining Amazon links). An exclusive(!) report about using
> the Amazon infrastructure would be fine for me. But this report should
> eyplain in detail how to log in, some measures of calculation speed,
> whatever.
>
> > “We will not hide problems” is our social contract, so I find that
> > removing the blog entry from Planet Debian is a bit out of
> > proportion. I have
> > seen people advertising their company or, like this morning,
> > publishing some
> > comparative buying guides that are much less related to Debian.
>
> Well, *people* are free to blog whatever they want if they want to
> carry
> the risk of beeing regarded as spammer. We can not prevent this.
> However we have to deal with an anonymous posting on behalf of a team
> which is unacceptable.
>
> > Also, I think that posts about
> > bioinformatics would be appropriate for Debian Planet, as long as
> > they are
> > related to Debian Med as a team.
>
> I would see this in a very wide sense: Anything which is somehow
> related to Free Software in our field - even very specific articles
> touching this area are fine.
>
> > Lastly, (about the blog), I think that discussions about the Amazon
> > cloud are
> > appropriate.
>
> Definitely.
>
> > Steffen received from Amazon some free hours of use for the
> > purpose of doing Debian development there, and I think that is very
> > similar to
> > hardware gifts that Debian recieves. I think that it was good to
> > thank Amazon
> > in front of the Debian community.
>
> Thanks to those who deserve it.
>
> > There would be a clear misbehaviour and
> > conflict of interest if for instance we would regularly mention
> > Amazon or any
> > company in the hope of obaining more sponsorship from them, but this
> > is not
> > what we are doing.
>
> IMHO we are doing this currently on our blog by linking to Amazon.
>
> > Back to the other topics, I will briefly mention that I am not very
> > interested
> > in the current microblogging platforms. Sorry to be negative, but I
> > do not get
> > used to the arbitrary limitation of 140 characters and the URL
> > obsfucation.
>
> I'm personally sharing this opinion. However, I came to the conclusion
> that complete ignorance of this stuff might stop us from reaching out
> to
> more users and thus I try to force myself to some extend into this.
>
> > In conclusion, what made people nervous on one hand, and what we
> > need on the
> > other hand is money. I am often thinking on how I could integrate
> > some Debian
> > development in a research grant, but this is not easy given that my
> > research
> > projects are more centered about making technological developments
> > in molecular
> > biology, and that in my career I am still at a stage where I can
> > hardly propose
> > a project hiring more than one person with good chances of being
> > accepted. But
> > let's keep this in mind (for instance, Japans's JSPS Advanced
> > Research Networks
> > call http://www.jsps.go.jp/english/e-c2c/). In general, I think that
> > we should
> > favor ways to get money that is managed by institutions, be it SPI
> > or our
> > research centers.
>
> Our strong connection to Debian helps us getting some money. However,
> the last sprint has shown that a bit more will not harm. I'm not
> sure about the numbers but I do not think that some of our activists
> should pay more than for his own expenses (if at all).
>
> > Perhaps the most ambitious way to channel money into Debian Med
> > would be to
> > sell it as a shelf product or as a book describing how to use it.
> > That would
> > be a big project, but that may help research labs to contribute by
> > buying
> > the product.
>
> I would really love it if somebody would do this. I'd volunteer to
> write 2-3 chapters of a book - but I'm not totally convinced that this
> would sell that much to get more than one sprint done.
Writing a book is nice, but takes a lot of time... and what would be the kind of content?
DebianMed is a mix a Debian (I mean here pure linux stuff) and bioinformatics/medical tools. Tools themselves cover a wide range of usage (from practitionner to bioinformatics in labs)....
Olivier
>
> > It would also cut some trees, but that is another story ;)
>
> Trees are cut for much worse things ... :-)
>
> Kind regards
>
> Andreas.
>
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