Re: Documentation and Sarge's Release Critical Policy
On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 15:00, Peter S Galbraith wrote:
> > I believe this comment is a mischaracterisation of the consensus that
> > has developed on this list. Recently explained by Nathanael Nerode on
> > the glibc mailing list:
> > <http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2003/debian-glibc-200308/msg00160.html>
> >
> > I in no way support any claims that clear majority agreement has not
> > been reached. So in this respect sarge_rc_policy.txt should at least
> > read: "This will become a requirement post-sarge."
>
> That post says:
>
> The people left who claim that we should allow GFDLed documents with
> invariant sections into 'main' are...
>
> I would hope that the other problems with this license will be
> sufficient to make it non-free even for docs without invariant
> sections. Do we have a consensus on that?
There is clearly consensus on "invariant sections" and the GNU FDL also
describes a number of other items that are essentially invariant or must
be combined.
More generally I believe there is consensus that the GNU FDL is not a
DFSG-free licence. The biggest problem we faced is that the FDL so
aggressively discriminates against the endeavour of computer programming
that we didn't even notice we were discussing a non-software licence.
Debian distributes 100% free software (which includes associated
documentation). Not any old stuff with a licence that stops it being a
subset of software.
> In the meantime, if there's consensus about invariant sections then I
> don't see why they can't be moved to non-free before november.
Oh, I see your reasoning. I was thinking of how difficult it may be to
separate out the data from some of the packages and design ways to
expunge non-DFSG documentation from the .orig.tar.gz files. Your idea is
to just to move packages to non-free.
> > > > > Given the aggressive (and endearingly optimistic) timetable of releasing
> > > > > Sarge this December[0!] I support this pragmatic decision.
> > > >
> > > > Pragmatism is not the defining principle of the DFSG.
> > >
> > > With you 100%.
> >
> > It's a timing issue. Clear consensus has only occurred very recently. Do
> > people want to see FTP uploads being rejected right this minute? The
> > forthcoming release of Sarge gives everyone a clear and historical cut
> > off date for implementing the consensus and gives archive maintainers a
> > clear date for strictly enforcing policy.
>
> I'd rather we stick to our principles, but clearly there isn't a
> consensus on that.
That's a low blow.
So what's your timeline for migration? Move Emacs into non-free today?
The .orig.tar.gz files contain what we consider non-DFSG-free files, and
.orig.tar.gz files in main and contrib are supposed to meet the DFSG.
With a migration plan, Emacs _the program_ has a chance of staying in
Debian.
Regards,
Adam
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