On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:57:40AM +0100, Marcus Brinkmann wrote: > On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 11:31:58PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote: > > However, I don't see why that should give much problems. You don't > > want to change to standards anyhow. > > I would. > > For example, I would take some of the RFC's, c&p from them, add texinfo > markup and include bits of them in documentation of GNU software. IANAL, I don't know if adding texinfo markup to them is considered making a derivative work or just distributing, you don't change the text itself. Adding texinfo markup just changes how the text is displayed, which is already different if you read it with less, emacs, mozilla or just use a printer to make a hardcopy. > I would like to do the same with C99, POSIX, and other standards. I agree. I've whished more than once that I could just do "C-h i m posix". And I also agree that those standards should be free. But when is it free? :) > I can't. When I find a bug in the glibc manual, and read up POSIX to find > out what it should be, I have to close my eyes for a minute and try to > forget what I just read before writing a bug report. It would be easier to > move the mouse, c&p the missing sentence and paste it into the glibc manual. > But I am not allowed to do that, by copyright. To quote the RFC copyright notice from RFC 2026 "Internet Standards Process": This document and translations of it may be copied and furnished to others, and derivative works that comment on or otherwise explain it or assist in its implmentation may be prepared, copied, published and distributed, in whole or in part, without restriction of any kind, provided that the above copyright notice and this paragraph are included on all such copies and derivative works. However, this document itself may not be modified in any way, such as by removing the copyright notice or references to the Internet Society or other Internet organizations, except as needed for the purpose of developing Internet standards in which case the procedures for copyrights defined in the Internet Standards process must be followed, or as required to translate it into languages other than English I think the glibc manual is a "derivative work that comment on or otherwise explain it or assist in its implementation (Note that RFC 2026 has a typo :-))". If adding textinfo markup is considered a derivative work, then it's allowed under this license if I'm right, but IANAL. I agree with you that POSIX is non-free (and that should change!), but the original dicussion was about the RFC copyright. I still don't see how this license really restricts the user, the things you were talking are allowed. Enlighten me if I'm wrong. The problem is that the Debian Free Documentation Guidelines don't exist and that documentation is really different from software. > > But other than that, I don't see how it restricts the user. > > Just because you don't see it, it doesn't mean that it isn't there (many > politicians probably don't see how software patents restrict free software > developers either ;) I think they will probably see that it restrict free software developers if you tell them. The problem is that they should also care about that (and probably know about free software in the first place!). Jeroen Dekkers -- Jabber supporter - http://www.jabber.org Jabber ID: jdekkers@jabber.org Debian GNU supporter - http://www.debian.org http://www.gnu.org IRC: jeroen@openprojects
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