Re: hubs and switches
On Thu, 13 Jun 2002, Andrew Perrin wrote:
> Well, saying "a router is basically a hub or a switch on steroids" is
> somewhat akin to saying a car is basically a child's wagon on steroids; it
> misses the central point of a router. Yes, a router will (often) have
> several network ports built in (although technically I think that's just a
> router and a hub in the same box); but what makes it a router is the
> ability to program it to read packets and send them in the right direction
> -- something neither hubs nor switches can do.
in general hubs only broadcast all traffic to all ports
siwthces select on hardware-addressing to see what needs to go where
routers select on IP-packet level to deside on which goes where and are
indeed programmable.
I think a rounter wiht mroe network-ports still is a router cause it still
will decide on ip-level info.
> Furthermore, there's no requirement that a router have multiple (e.g.,
> >2) network ports; to be a router it only needs to have one network
> connection per network being routed (generally, for home use, one for your
> DSL or cable modem and the other for your private network).
yep, the router needs to do network-address-translation for that to work
and possibly ppp-over-ethernet as well.
YOu've got those new fancy swithces with linux-routing project build
inside (basicly becoming a router) that do that job nicely.
> You're right that you don't need a separate router if you've got a machine
> masquerading. Essentially what's happening is the masquerading machine is
> acting as a router. There's no conceptual difference between a router and
> a computer with two (or more) network cards, each plugged into a different
> network; a dedicated router is cheaper and more secure than a computer
> doing the job, but technologically speaking it's essentially the same
> thing.
your masq-box becomes router.
YOu need a switch or hub behind it and a local ip-range or so
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>
> On Wed, 12 Jun 2002, Tony Firecloud wrote:
>
> >
> > > a router is basically a hub or a switch on steroids. it usually does
> > > the same job as hubs and switches, but it also allows you the ability
> > > to connect *all* the computers it manages to the internet, if you have
> > > an internet connection like cable modem or DSL. routers tend to be
> > > more expensive though (pushing $100)...if you can afford it, then it
> > > might be good for the possibility of a future internet connection, but
> > > it's overkill for the job you've described in your email.
> > >
> > > good luck!
> > >
> > > -alan
> >
> > Well yes, I had planned on having my network connected to the internet.
> > Kinda the whole idea of this was being able to use my new cable inter-
> > net connection between a) the server, and then b) the two laptops, and
> > for a final trick, c) my wife's win98 machine which would replace one
> > of the laptops when necessary, as the windows machine doesn't need much
> > network/internet time.
> > But i'm pretty sure i don't _need_ a router for that, do i? Couldn't
> > i send everything to the server (via the hub now) and have that box then
> > send everything over the cable pipe? Masquerading, i think one calls it.
> > Or packet forwarding? Or maybe i can't do such a thing if i want to use
> > a hub(?); this is a new facet to my non-hubbed 5-NIC, 3-host, 1-internet
> > connection idea, will take some figuring/reading i guess. But i'll
> > definitely take your advice and get a hub or switch.
> >
> > Thanks for the link, looks like a good one; just what i need.
> > Tony
> >
> >
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