Re: true type fonts fixed...
On Thu, Jul 10, 2003 at 03:21:15PM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jul 2003, Ross Boylan wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 01:41:26AM -0600, Bruce Sass wrote:
> > > scenario:
> > > sid, kde-3.1.2, xserver-svga (v3.3.6), X-4.2.1, xfstt
> >
> > Huh? Are you combining parts of X from 3.3 (xserver) and 4.2 (the
> > rest)? I'd be surprised if that worked out.
>
> Why is that? Would you be surprised if a v3 remote X-terminal could
> connect to machine with XFree-4?
Well, you're right that it should work, but whether it actually works
is a different matter. It probably didn't get much testing.
It also might be particularly problematic in the case of fonts, since
as far as I can tell some of the font functionality is migrating to
the client (while perhaps also remaining on the server) with v 4. I'm
not sure exactly what's where. Further study in this area seems to
produce further confusion, at least sometimes!
[snip]
>
> > > - KDE knows about the fonts but they are not rendered
> > How do you know it knows?
>
> ...on a per-user basis: fonts were copied into ~/.kde, had a green
> checkmark, appeared in the font selector dialogs, but were always
> rendered as helvetica
>
> ...in admin mode: .afm's were created (iirc) under X11R6 when the
> fonts were in /usr/share/fonts (no surprise, eh)... green blah blah
> helvetica
Well, that's an interesting variation on my problem. Mostly, I don't
see anything at all, whereas you get some default font (maybe my
default font is invisible?).
My symptoms:
1) Some text doesn't appear at all in Konqueror, or only as lines.
For example, I only see the graphics on my KDE help pages (even in my
vanilla Debian KDE 2.2 installation).
2) Some apps have drop down lists of styled texts. Some of the
entries are blank.
3) Some apps give you a font chooser which lets you pick style, size,
etc and shows a preview pane. When I pick some fonts, the preview
pane is blank.
> <...>
> > > Hmmm, could having ttf available through both fontconfig (via
> > > x-ttfcidfont-config) and xfs-ttf be a problem...
>
> s/b xfs-xtt :-/
>
> > Well, I've been more thinking that not having fonts available through
> > fontconfig is the problem. Someone recommended to me to make sure the
> > TT fonts were in fontconfig.
>
> sounds reasonable
> except the v3 xservers don't know about fontconfig (???)
>
> I think there are too many cooks <shrug>,
> and am not sure why KDE is doing low level mucking about with fonts
> (especially at the system level).
KDE apparently uses Qt to handle fonts. I'm not sure if the stuff in
the control center is a straight interface to Qt or if KDE is adding
something extra on top.
My understanding du jour of font configuration:
- XftConfig is used by freetype v 1 and apps that depend on it.
Probably none do.
- fonts.conf is used by fontconfig and freetype v2. Most newer apps use
this, including newer KDE. Note that freetype v2 is in the
libfreetype6 package on Debian.
- XF86Config-4 used by the X server itself. But in v4 the server is
schizophrenic, getting some stuff the traditional way and some via
freetype v 2 (or maybe X and Freetype both use the same core
library?).
- various spots for particular apps.
Maybe one of those spots is aliasing everything to Helvetica?
> - Bruce
>
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