If you can't get kdm working, and you need shutdown control from the login screen I suggest you take a look at wdm, which is the kdm equivalent for window maker. It works fine for me with kde3, and doesn't cause the annoying font problems that I get with kdm. HTH. Cheers Dave -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-kde-request@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmaster@lists.debian.org