On 2021-01-16 at 05:58, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 03:15:14PM -0500, Theodore Ts'o wrote: > >> On Fri, Jan 15, 2021 at 09:35:01AM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> >>> The point is to make things easier for our users. Right now, >>> we're doing that for you but not for the users who don't care >>> whether firmware is non-free. I think the idea is that we should >>> consider making things easier for both groups of users. There's >>> no reason to make things worse for you and others who want the >>> fully free installer in the process. >> >> I wonder if a compromise would be to make an install CD/DVD which >> contains the non-free packages, but which gives the user the option >> to abstain from using said non-free packages --- it can explain >> that the non-free packages may be needed for some hardware, but why >> people who are committed to Free Software might prefer loss of >> functionality to using non-free software. > > It already does: the second or third question gives you the option to > install non-free firmware, if needed, from a USB stick. That method > does work but very few people use it. That's not what Ted seems to be suggesting, though. It still requires you to obtain the firmware separately and provide them separately - and, per comment seen elsewhere just this morning (#980205), apparently doesn't make clear *where* and *how* to provide that firmware. What I read Ted as suggesting is that there be available an installer image which *has those files / packages already present*, but prompts the user to decide whether or not the installer should make use of them. -- The Wanderer The reasonable man adapts himself to the world; the unreasonable one persists in trying to adapt the world to himself. Therefore all progress depends on the unreasonable man. -- George Bernard Shaw
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