On Tue, Apr 23, 2013 at 06:57:30AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/20/2013 07:37 PM, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > I came across this on Planet Debian > > http://rb.doesntexist.org/blog//posts/lack_of_cooperation_from_ubuntu/ > > I'm guessing that Ubuntu may not have pushed the changes to sid because > > of the freeze, that may well be the answer to Rogério's questions. > Thinking that this is the only reason is very naive. It's simply not the > case. > In some areas, Canonical guys believe they need to differentiate, even > if that means making the life of maintainers of both distributions harder. > The areas are where they focus commercially: cloud computing stacks, > desktop with Unity and MIR, and I guess soon phone and TV sets. There is a difference between "needing to differentiate" and "needing to deliver a product in the most efficient way possible". In cases where Debian and Ubuntu are moving in the same direction and/or sharing technologies, the most efficient way to deliver Ubuntu as a product is to do so in collaboration with Debian; and so there's a standing policy that changes to packages do get pushed back to Debian from Ubuntu, as others have commented. But for new packages, where Canonical is striking out on its own to deliver significant new functionality and the folks working on these packages are not DDs, there's a clear pragmatic argument for doing the work directly in Ubuntu rather than blocking the work on finding folks able to upload to Debian and willing to maintain the packages there. That doesn't mean Canonical is not interested in having such software in Debian. I can't speak to the cloud packages in particular, but I know there's been an ITP for Unity in the past, which unfortunately hasn't made it to completion for one reason or another. I think the Unity team would welcome having Unity available for Debian users - it just doesn't make sense for them to try to push Debian to accept such packages, or to volunteer to maintain them. Likewise, while the goal of Mir is first and foremost to be a platform for Unity and the Ubuntu client offerings, and the team's priorities will naturally reflect this, I'm sure that if the Debian community found Mir useful for their own purposes the Mir team would be happy to see Mir in Debian. > So don't try to guess. Just remember such things can happen, and try > to deal with it in the best way possible, trying to push for more > collaboration when you can. That is the policy that I am trying to apply > to myself, and I hope it will be appreciated from both sides (eg: Debian > and Ubuntu) in the long run. Well said. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. Ubuntu Developer http://www.debian.org/ slangasek@ubuntu.com vorlon@debian.org
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