Dnia 2012-07-12, czw o godzinie 10:39 +0200, Gergely Nagy pisze: > Noel David Torres Taño <envite@rolamasao.org> writes: > > >> Yet, we try to not diverge much from upstream, and maintain a good > >> relationship with them. If they consider it core, so can we. Those who > >> want to hand-pick parts of a meta package, can do so, we do not forbid. > > > > If we want to be user friendly, it is not a matter of "we do not forbid", it > > is a matter of "we make easy". Besides, low-level users will install > > Recommends by default, so they will get the whole box anyway. But medium or > > high level users may probably want N-M not to mess their network EVEN if they > > want the whole gnome desktop set. > >> > >> I do not see the problem: those who want the full platform, can get it > >> easily. Those who don't, and want to exclude some, they can do so easily > >> too. A bit more work, but hey, if you're going to cherry pick, that will > >> always involve more work. > >> > >> The amount of extra work necessary is minimal though. > > > > Not so minimal if you want your gnome set to be up to date, including new > > applications being installed. > > It is very minimal. 5 minutes of work. Been there, done that, posted the > bulk of the solution, and a general outline of the rest of it to this > list, in this very thread, multiple times. > > Please take some time to read it. But alas, I'll make it easy for you: > > If you want to install a meta-package, but without one of its > dependencies, and want to keep up to date with it too, so you get all > the new stuff added to it, and you also want to be able to remove the > whole thing with one swift sweep, here's what you do: > > - Grab the control file of the meta-package > (~1 line in shell, use grep-aptavail) > - Filter out unwanted packages from depends > (~5-6 lines in shell) > - Create a local package, under a different name, with the updated > information > (~10-20 lines, use equivs) > === 5 minutes so far === > - Push it into a local repository > (~2-3 lines, use whatever, reprepro, mini-dinstall, or cat <<EOF) > - Put the local repo in sources.list > - apt-get update & install your shiny new meta-package > - Hook all that into Apt::Update::Post-invoke > > That's it. The whole thing is under a hundred lines, and easily doable > within half an hour (for the record, I implemented all of the above this > morning in 17 minutes while still half asleep). At first I thought it was a joke. But no, you really suggest that everyone who wants to have up-to-date desktop environment but without few packages (e.g. N-M or GDM) needs to create own package, own local repository, and looks into it every time there is upgrade to keep it current? And this is supposed to be simple? I had phase of wanting to have under my control; heck, I even was using Linux From Scratch, to which I was writing scripts to keep it as up-to-date as possible. But later I become lazy and started to think that there is better use for my time. After some time I found Debian and liked idea of using other people's work and not having to create my own distribution. After more time I started packaging some software I am using so other people does not need to waste their time building their own packages but may use my work and just do # apt-get install python-pyopenl Do you really think that forcing many people to maintain their own repositories and metapackages is better than just moving e.g. N-M or GDM3 from Depends to Recommends? Think about all those hours wasted, times however many people who want to customise their desktops. Regards. -- Tomasz Rybak <tomasz.rybak@post.pl> GPG/PGP key ID: 2AD5 9860 Fingerprint A481 824E 7DD3 9C0E C40A 488E C654 FB33 2AD5 9860 http://member.acm.org/~tomaszrybak
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